Shawn and Lora Cheadle together

What is “Trickle Truth,” and why does it often make the pain of infidelity worse? In this powerful episode, Lora Cheadle is joined by her husband, Shawn, to dive into the gradual, often reluctant disclosure of details about an affair. While trickle truth may stem from fear, shame, or the misguided belief that withholding details will minimize harm, it frequently prolongs pain, erodes trust, and re-traumatizes the betrayed partner.

Together, Lora and Shawn unpack the difficult yet essential process of uncovering the full truth after infidelity. They share actionable strategies to help couples move beyond betrayal and rebuild their relationship on a foundation of honesty, authenticity, and mutual growth.

Top Takeaways
  1. Creating Sacred Spaces for Difficult Conversations:
    Lora and Shawn stress the importance of “sacred conversations”—safe, dedicated environments where couples can openly and vulnerably discuss tough truths without distractions. These intentional spaces foster clarity, compassion, and deeper understanding.
  2. The Journey Towards Authenticity and Healing:
    Lora and Shawn stress the importance of “sacred conversations”—safe, dedicated environments where couples can openly and vulnerably discuss tough truths without distractions. These intentional spaces foster clarity, compassion, and deeper understanding.
  3. Sound Insight and Guidance for both the Betrayer and the Betrayed:
    Whether you are the betrayed or the betrayer, this episode offers practical tools and emotional guidance to help you heal and rebuild. Lora and Shawn’s heartfelt discussion provides hope, clarity, and strategies to turn pain into purpose and restore trust.

 

Infidelity recovery is a difficult journey, but with the right tools and mindset, it can lead to personal transformation and a stronger, more authentic relationship. Tune in to this episode for real-life insights and actionable advice that will empower you to move forward with courage, honesty, and hope. Tune in and take the first step toward healing and creating a life you love after infidelity or betrayal. Let’s get started!

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About Lora:

Lora Cheadle is an attorney, TEDx speaker, and betrayal recovery coach who helps women turn their devastation into an invitation to rise up and reign. Whether reclaiming what they let go of along the way, rebuilding their identity, or stepping into a stronger sense of self-trust and self-worth, Lora’s expert guidance empowers women to uncover the truth™ of what they are capable of and deserve. After being shattered by her husband’s fifteen years of infidelity, Lora knows firsthand the skills and strategies necessary to stop feeling broken and start living fully and freely.

She is licensed to practice law in California and Colorado, is a trauma-aware coach, clinical hypnotherapist, somatic attachment therapist, advanced integrated energy practitioner, and is certified to teach yoga, mindfulness, group fitness, and personal train. She is the author of the International Book Awards Finalist and Tattered Cover Bestseller, FLAUNT! Drop Your Cover and Reveal Your Smart, Sexy, & Spiritual Self and host of the podcast FLAUNT! Create a Life You Love After Infidelity and Betrayal. She lives in Colorado and loves travel, adventure, and a good book. Learn more at www.loracheadle.com

 

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Transcript

 

Lora Cheadle [00:00:01]:
You’re listening to Flaunt, find your sparkle and create a life you love after infidelity or betrayal. A podcast for women who’ve been betrayed by their intimate partner and want to turn their devastation into an invitation to reclaim them selves and their worth. Tune in weekly so you can start making sense of it all, and learn how to be okay on the inside, no matter what goes on on the outside. Download your free betrayal recovery toolkit@betrayalrecoveryguide.com.

Lora Cheadle [00:00:35]:
Hello, and welcome to Flaunt. Find your sparkle and create a life you love after infidelity or betrayal. I am Lora Cheadle, and I am here with my husband, Shawn. And we’re gonna have, hopefully, a pretty incredible and enlightening conversation about trickle truth, because I know that’s something, we went through, definitely. And I know that’s something that a lot of you have asked about it. And let me tell you, if your partner is doing the whole trickle truth thing to you, I know how hurtful it is. I know how it feels to be like, this is it. This is the whole story.

Lora Cheadle [00:01:17]:
And then to find out, nope, that’s not the story. But what hopefully I want to show and to share with you today is why that is not the end of the road. Why your partner is not doing it intentionally to be a jerk to you. My point with this episode is to help you understand what your partner might be feeling and thinking and why he might be doing it. And this is also gonna be one of those episodes that is really, really good to share with your partner. So maybe he listens to Shawn’s words, and then he can have some of he can put words around his experience because I know that’s one of the things that a lot of men struggle with is finding the right words for what it is they are experiencing. So sit down, grab a pen and paper, take some notes if you’d like to, listen to this show, and then if it seems appropriate, share it with your partner. So first, thank you for being here.

Shawn Cheadle [00:02:25]:
Thanks for having me. I think. And speaking of nervous, right, I mean, to retell all the stories, right, and our trickle truth, it does make me feel nervous. And so, hopefully, I’m vulnerable enough to hear some insights that are helpful to somebody.

Lora Cheadle [00:02:47]:
Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. So let’s start kind of from the beginning. First of all, what is trickle truth? Trickle truth is what what happens. It’s the name for what happens when you discover your partner’s infidelity and you’re like, okay. Tell me what happened. And your partner tells you a story.

Lora Cheadle [00:03:08]:
And you start, okay. I believe you. Thank you for telling me the truth. Now let’s move on. And then however long later, you find out that what your partner told you was not exactly the truth. A very common one is and we went through this also. Okay. So what’s going on with this woman? Something’s going on with this woman.

Lora Cheadle [00:03:29]:
Oh, well, we flirt. We had dinner together. We kissed. We hugged. And then I believed it. Okay. You’re flirting with the financial planner secretary. You’re having inappropriate lunches.

Lora Cheadle [00:03:43]:
You’re flirting. And I started I believed that. Okay. He like Shawn told me, she’s she’s a nice young girl. She’s a single mom. She’s struggling. She just really needs somebody to confide in. And I thought, oh, that’s the truth.

Lora Cheadle [00:04:00]:
And I started making sense of that in my brain. Okay. Shawn’s a really kind person.

Shawn Cheadle [00:04:04]:
He’s a compassionate person.

Lora Cheadle [00:04:04]:
I can see how somebody in her situation, but, And I don’t even remember how long it was after. One of my friends started telling me, Lora, that doesn’t make sense. What you’re telling me that Shawn told you doesn’t make sense. So then I confronted Shawn, and then the whole truth came out. So that’s Triple truth came out. Yeah. Part part of the truth came out. But that’s trickle truth.

Lora Cheadle [00:04:45]:
And then you wrap your head around that. Okay. We can get through this. I I can figure it out now, and then more of the truth comes out. So my question for you, Shawn, is why don’t you just spill it? Why don’t men just be like, yeah. I was caught, and I’m horrified, and here’s what’s going on. Why the slow roll? Why the slow reveal?

Shawn Cheadle [00:05:16]:
Well, it’s tough to suddenly be caught. We all know that as kids, you know, who broke the lamp. It wasn’t me. I didn’t do it. Right? And it might have been you. And that is a truth. I didn’t even know that phrase, by the way, and that was trickled through thing, this whole, disclosure process for me and Lora. But the I really think it you know, the the concept of being a little kid and being caught, we act very similarly as adults.

Shawn Cheadle [00:05:51]:
And there’s a lot of shame in being caught, and we don’t we’re not vulnerable enough to share that it’s shameful, to sort of stand in it and be ready to deliver the truth all at once. And so it becomes this slow reveal is what we called it. And, you know, that trickle though, is really hurtful. Right? And it’s scary for us because more and more details come up and then it makes it harder to have the conversation.

Lora Cheadle [00:06:21]:
Yeah. Okay. Let’s break that down a little bit because I love how you talk about you’re a kid and you don’t wanna be caught. Okay. But you’re an adult. You’re a grown man, and you know what you did was wrong, and you know what you did is harmful. So why why the belief that not telling is gonna help?

Shawn Cheadle [00:06:50]:
Well, that’s interesting because to me, there’s this notion that, maybe all the truth doesn’t need to be told. Maybe, you know, this is all that needs to be said, and we can put it to rest. Maybe we can, you know, sweep this under the rug. You know, there’s so there’s a lot of events where half truths or white lies are told between parents and kids, let’s say. Don’t tell mom. Don’t tell dad. Right? So these little secrets, you know, and we think, well, it’s one of those. Now the truth comes out, but let’s only tell half the truth or a quarter of it or some portion that feels safe.

Shawn Cheadle [00:07:29]:
We wanna feel safe. We don’t wanna feel like we’re going to the principal’s office. We don’t wanna feel like we’ve quote really been caught. We wanna make it seem like it’s an innocent disclosure.

Lora Cheadle [00:07:44]:
Right.

Shawn Cheadle [00:07:44]:
And yet it’s not innocent because we did do something wrong. Mhmm. And most of us know in our core. Right? And here comes the truth. And I guess, you know, getting a trickle to just turn on the faucet, that’s the hard part.

Lora Cheadle [00:08:01]:
Yeah. Yeah. So when you talk, when you share that, it makes sense. Because I know for me, based on other things, not infidelity, I have not cheated. But one of those things that there’s other things that I’ve done in my life where I think, well, I’ll just I’ll just kind of say, I’m sorry, and I’m just going to squeak by on that because it is really hard to stand in it. It is really hard to stand up and be like, these are all the things I thought and these are all the things that I did, and you’re gonna think I’m a bad person. And I I can understand that for you. As the betraying partner thinking, I don’t want people to think badly of need.

Lora Cheadle [00:08:43]:
So did you also think of the marriage, though? Did you think this would help the marriage? Did you think because that that’s one of the questions that I get so often is, if he wanted to save the marriage, why didn’t he just tell me the truth?

Shawn Cheadle [00:09:02]:
You do think you’re helping the marriage just like the parent, child, don’t tell mom, don’t tell dad. You know, you think less is more. They don’t need to know the whole story. Everything will be better. It’ll be much worse if they know the whole story. That’s how we feel. Mhmm. And and that’s probably true.

Shawn Cheadle [00:09:21]:
Right? It it’s but this is an area where white lies don’t help. Trickle does not help. No. And that’s the hard part is, okay, how do you get there? Because, you know, we think we’re helping the marriage and it’s actually making it worse to not tell the whole disclosure. Full disclosure, truth will set you free. Those are hard lessons. Right? We don’t really know what truth will set you free means until the whole truth comes out.

Lora Cheadle [00:09:51]:
Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like I know for you, there was fear around that. Like, if I admit this, there’s no way Lora is gonna stay. And one of the things that I’ve said in past podcast, and I fully believe, is there such a cultural myth that betrayal always has to be the end And that if there is cheating, then the relationship is over. And I’m curious. Were you afraid that if you just said, that’s it, then that would be it and the marriage would be over. Did did you think you could come back from this? Did you think once it came out that there was any hope for you or for us?

Shawn Cheadle [00:10:36]:
No. I thought there was no hope. I thought this was rock bottom. And people need to remember I’m coming up on, you know, this is six and a half, almost 7 years since our disclosure day, disclosure era. Right? We have a date we call disclosure, but it was a slow reveal. It was a trickle for us, and that was like a 3 month process. And if I were given this guidance then, I’m not sure that my fear I would have overcome it. I would have had to known that I could see the other side of this, that I could see the marriage that I always wanted, that maybe, you know, that was possible.

Shawn Cheadle [00:11:19]:
And then why is my wife standing here supporting me wanting to keep it together too? How does any partner that is betrayed want to rebuild trust? That’s a different equation. Our fear that they don’t want to is one of the reasons why we don’t tell the whole story.

Lora Cheadle [00:11:37]:
Yeah.

Shawn Cheadle [00:11:38]:
And what is the truth though? Because, you know, some of it is what is a person’s why? Why did this happen? Right? And everyone’s why can be different. There’s a great list out there that you can look up, but what is your why? We need to know it. If If you don’t know it, maybe there’s a portion of couple three things that are your why, but you need to understand that your position then versus where you want to go, do you wanna fight for your marriage or not? Because it maybe, you know, your partner is willing to fight for your marriage and that was Lora’s position. That was a good conversation that we had and what changed the game for me when we were going to an affair recovery course and you told me you wanted me to fight for the marriage. Yeah. Right? So that’s where I started realizing that being vulnerable and telling the truth, as hard as it was, I could overcome my fear, back to fear. Right? The fear is is real and present for the betrayer. Who wants to go to the principal’s office? There you are, front and center as the guilty.

Shawn Cheadle [00:12:48]:
Right? So it’s it’s really, when you have an opportunity sitting in front of you, somebody is willing to fight for you. Right? Yeah. Are you willing to fight for it? What are you willing to to do to overcome your fear, your shame, and to really fight for telling the truth. And I wanna be careful about what telling the truth means because a lot of questions come out.

Lora Cheadle [00:13:18]:
Yeah. And this definitely needs to be addressed. I think there’s a difference between telling the truth. Did you have an affair? Did you have sex? Did you bring her to our house? How long did it last? How many were you? I that’s like the parameters that the first big figuring it out, like, did this happen? Numbers, dates. What did, did you love her? Oh, like all of these big things. I think that’s the first thing. But then from there, as you know, it’s kind of an endless rabbit hole. Right?

Shawn Cheadle [00:13:54]:
Well, it can be. And that’s the scary part is we don’t have every truth. We may not know the color of underclothing. We may not know exactly what the towing was. We may not know a lot of details that the the betrayed partner wants to know. And so the truth, it’s difficult because while we know a lot of truths and the truth that you actually did it, you were engaged with this other person, you had this affair encounter, wherever it was, there’s a lot that can be told about that, but there’s details that the betrayed partner thinks you’re holding back, and you’re not telling the truth. And I’ll tell you, and we’re in a course, and it was incredible course, but it was it was a paramount universal truth that not everybody knows every detail. So hold some grace and space for dark rooms, whatever it is.

Shawn Cheadle [00:14:51]:
Right? Because not everybody knows the exact time, the, you know, the the colors of something, a lot of nuances that drive, I know, the betrayed crazy. And those truths are are blurry for the person that, you know, may not have noticed, and Allison is on the spot to tell. So I wouldn’t make stuff up. I would just say, you know, God’s honest truth. I don’t know.

Lora Cheadle [00:15:17]:
Right.

Shawn Cheadle [00:15:18]:
If you don’t know, you gotta have to just couch that for a minute.

Lora Cheadle [00:15:22]:
Yeah. And something that helped me with that, I had this presumption that he must have been passionately, deeply in love with these women and that I know when we were first dating and engaged, I I know, like, taking care of my kids. I know taking care of friends. When you’re passionately in love and connected and committed, you know, every single detail because you’re focused on it and you think it’s great. So my presumption is Shawn is totally in love with his affair partners, and these are, like, heart palpitating moments, and this is the joy of his life. So, of course, he remembers it. When in reality, he wasn’t in love with his affair partners. Totally.

Lora Cheadle [00:16:08]:
It didn’t have a lot of meaning. It was just kinda get through it. I’ll let you speak to that because you can you can talk about

Shawn Cheadle [00:16:15]:
your Oh, that’s like putting my counseling on. You know, I’m the public, but I was pretty broken. So, and as she mentioned, that was multiple. Right? If you’re sitting there with just one affair partner, you know, you have less to remember, less to disclose. I had to do this 5 times. And it was really difficult, right, walking through. So the way I think the probably the best lesson we received as a couple to work through the details, to get to the truth, to get past the trickle, was to set boundaries around our discussions. May I ask you a difficult question? And that was our opener.

Shawn Cheadle [00:17:00]:
Lora would ask me that. And now I knew that, okay. This has to do with our stuff. This doesn’t have to do with the garage or the clutter in my closet or something else. Right? A difficult question was the boundary code word for let’s set the stage for whatever environment we’re gonna sit in, or it’s a quiet drive or, you know, whatever your setting is, but make sure that that’s only going to be the conversation so that we can have authentic conversation that is telling the truth, but also so that I can try to make sure I understand how I tell the truth because I need to get all the details she needs out and to be understanding of her angst in this matter. And that if I don’t know the truth, I need to be able to express that that’s something, a detail that I just don’t recall. Right. It may may may not have been important.

Shawn Cheadle [00:17:55]:
It may not be something you even noticed. Right? Or yeah. You know? There might have been that situation, but I don’t remember whatever the details were, the color, the, you know, whatever.

Lora Cheadle [00:18:12]:
I’m just gonna jump in because you mentioned safety, and safety is so important. And I want before I go a little bit deeper in that, we’re talking about conversations between 2 hurt people. I was hurt as the betrayed partner. You were hurt as the betrayed partner. Rightfully so, our needs should come first because we were hurt. It should be about us. But when we sometimes make it all about us and our pain, not because we’re selfish, mean people because we’re so overwhelmed, it can shut down the other person from communicating with you because the betrayer is in pain, too. Shawn did not cheat because it was really, really fun.

Lora Cheadle [00:19:03]:
He did not cheat because he was in love. Like he said, he cheated because he was broken. When you’re broken, you’re in pain. He was vulnerable. He was in pain. He was cheating. So he’s talking about something that’s difficult too. And it was easy for him to get overwhelmed with pain, and then it was easy for me to get overwhelmed with pain.

Lora Cheadle [00:19:24]:
And then we couldn’t hold space for each other, and then conversation would just devolve into yelling or fighting or nitpicking or it’s because it’s you.

Shawn Cheadle [00:19:34]:
Or we exceeded our sacred space, and now it’s not just a fair difficult questions. It became finance. It became kids. It became, you know Yeah. Other fights than we might have or disputes or whatever, however it looks. Right? So, in a way, don’t let life and marriage get in the way. Honor the sacred space so that you both can be authentic about the difficult question. And I think there’s a certain time period when difficult questions start winding down.

Shawn Cheadle [00:20:05]:
Mhmm. Whether somebody’s healed or not is a whole different timeline because they have to process this information. And sometimes they ask more details. Sometimes it’s, you know, not as long of a difficult question ceremony, if you will, or sacred time for that. It can be shorter. Just one more thing, maybe, you know, over dinner or whatever. But we also had some other boundaries and that’s like time of day. Mhmm.

Shawn Cheadle [00:20:33]:
It’s not due this past 11 o’clock. We both need to sleep and when it’s, you know, just pounding on your mind, you’re probably gonna toss and turn, and that is ineffective for the night, much less the week. It could disrupt a lot of things. So set some boundaries around that. And similarly on, you know, don’t have a fair partner, a a betrayed partner wake up at 5 in the morning because they can’t sleep and then, you know, drive the trades and yeah.

Lora Cheadle [00:21:00]:
Can you sleep?

Shawn Cheadle [00:21:00]:
And then they can’t talk. Right?

Lora Cheadle [00:21:02]:
Yeah.

Shawn Cheadle [00:21:03]:
And I’m not a morning person. It’s not a good time to talk to me with a a sacred conversation. So it’s it’s really up to you, everybody, to decide when you wanna do this, but I really think some boundaries around it was our best guidance.

Lora Cheadle [00:21:16]:
Mhmm.

Shawn Cheadle [00:21:17]:
And difficult question was our code word, set up your own, whatever that is. But, when you go into that zone, if you’re the betrayer, you know, I was given the the concept. I was in a different conference altogether, but it was really powerful for being authentic. And that is, you know, for for setting my shoulders back, like I’m holding 2 bags and feet square to my shoulders, like I’m gonna stand there and take it. I’m ready. I’m gonna tell the truth. I’m gonna be authentic right here now. And I’m gonna tell you everything I possibly can about your questions during this sacred time.

Shawn Cheadle [00:22:01]:
And so that was really helpful because I think we got more resolution for Lora out of the responses and the storytelling at that point where I felt honest. I felt like I could be honest. I felt I’m not getting in trouble for sharing details where I didn’t have to feel fear or shame. She wanted the details, and she was going to process the details toward healing. Mhmm. And it helps me too because the truth will set you free.

Lora Cheadle [00:22:33]:
Yeah. Yeah. Couple of things. First, you have used the term sacred conversation several times, and that’s what we call it. And if you’ve been listening to my podcast for a while, I’m sure you’ve heard that term before, but it is sacred. I mean, it is sacred. It’s and it’s chokes me up, but it’s about coming together. It’s about bearing our souls.

Lora Cheadle [00:22:53]:
It’s about honesty. And like I said earlier, as the betrayed partner, you deserve so much and it does deserve to be about you. And yet still holding space, not hammering away. It was really hard for me sometimes to ask something and then to hear it because I didn’t wanna hear it. You know? And it was like, sometimes I would ask him to be strong for me. And other times, it would be like, I’m just gonna lose it, and I’m gonna devolve. And how do you balance that? And how can I be strong when he’s being vulnerable? And then how can he be strong while I’m losing it? And it’s just allowing your relationship to have a little bit of that give and take also to recognize when your partner is going down and to maybe back off and step away and support and vice versa.

Shawn Cheadle [00:23:51]:
Yeah. And for me, that’s not just a sacred conversation emotional exchange. That’s a lifetime exchange. Right? It’s coming in from work and and you’re having a tough day working from home, or I had a tough day vice versa, and, you know, trying to use emotional intelligence and read the room, right? What’s our partner feeling today, right? And instead of asking how you’re feeling and how your day going right into problem solving or something like that. So a lot of lessons around that because that’s a lifetime of back and forth between 2 people who truly have emotions, including us guys.

Lora Cheadle [00:24:26]:
Mhmm. Mhmm. Couple of other things around triple truth. Something that we went through and we experienced, and I know a lot of you have experienced this too because you’ve said it in the Facebook group. You’ve told it to me when we’re coaching 1 on 1. It’s just something that I hear a lot is, but we were in counseling and he lied to the therapist. That was a safe space. He still lied to the therapist.

Lora Cheadle [00:24:53]:
Talk a little bit about that. Why do you lie to the therapist?

Shawn Cheadle [00:24:59]:
Well, nobody wants to tell the truth in front of a third party.

Lora Cheadle [00:25:02]:
Yep.

Shawn Cheadle [00:25:03]:
Right? So, therapist, mom, dad, whoever the closest confidant is. Right? Maybe it’s a couple that you play cards with all the time or something. Or maybe you do wanna decide to to tell the truth in front of those people. Maybe it’s the truth in front of a couple. Terrence Reel is an incredible therapist. Got a lot of great books out there, but Terrence will tell the stories of the truth coming out in front of him. Right? And it’s finally coming out. There’s narcissistic attitudes and personalities and all kinds of reasons and shame, all kinds of reasons that people otherwise though will not tell the truth, and don’t wanna tell the truth in front of a third person.

Shawn Cheadle [00:25:45]:
Mhmm. I will tell you the single best advice I ever received from a counselor about telling other people was whether they had a privilege to know. And to me, I had an inner circle of of people I would call my board of directors, my personal board of directors, my brother, you know, Boris parents, if they wanted to know, they never wanted to know, but, the details. But, always supportive of our marriage, But there is other people, some of my best friends. Right? They were the first people I would call and tell them. This is what happened. The truth is out, and I want you to know first that I’m fighting for my marriage. And to tell you, I’m broken.

Shawn Cheadle [00:26:33]:
I got a lot of work to do. Just hope, you know, our relationship stays the same. That can be colleagues at work, could be a boss, it could be subordinates. You know, for me, it was very important to people like that that became to me, privileged people to know. And so maybe you can include your counselor and we did, our marriage counselor, my personal counselor, therapist, you know, obviously, he started telling all the details so that they can help you, recover. And that’s what we’re here for.

Lora Cheadle [00:27:11]:
Yeah. Absolutely. But again, at first, it plays into that whole shame piece. It plays into that embarrassment piece because nobody wants to look bad in front of somebody else, even a professional. And then there’s also this fear. We went through this too. Like, who’s more broken and who has to do more work and who really wants to sit up there and be like, me, I’m the broken one. And I think sometimes there is that fear also, admitting it in front of a counselor, admitting it in front of a therapist.

Lora Cheadle [00:27:40]:
You don’t want somebody to all of a sudden start pointing fingers at you and being labeling you or judging you or saying, oh, you are a narcissist or oh, you are broken. Oh my god. I’ve never seen anybody as bad as you. You know, there’s that we catastrophize things in our brain. And I think you catastrophize a lot until you started telling people and actually had supportive reactions from people. I mean, yes, people were mad, but people were also very supportive.

Shawn Cheadle [00:28:11]:
Yes. People were mad. I don’t know if the therapists are mad, but the therapists are are there to the first thing they do is thank you for being authentic. Right? That’s, they need to know that because if you’re not telling your doctors the truth, you’re not helping yourself. So, you know, for some you said, I’m trying to think of what it was here real quick, but the, the notion of telling the truth, I think if you’re truly trying to get help, if you want a medical doctor to know how to help you, if you’re not telling your true symptoms, yeah, I feel okay. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It’s like every day.

Shawn Cheadle [00:29:00]:
You know? You’re kinda watering it down. If that’s your disclosure and and a fair recovery, you’re not gonna get there. You’ve got to dig in and you gotta go into your core and discover what is your truth, discover what is your why. You know, understand that you can remember details that need to be told. When you start to feel the true vulnerability Mhmm. I think is when the truth is is paramount. It’s paramount. It’s going to be laid out and that’s when you put your shoulders back, you’re holding those 2 bags, and you’re just delivering.

Shawn Cheadle [00:29:36]:
And, and you stand in it. Right? Because you know that you can take it. You can overcome this. You can see the other side. And, you know, I wouldn’t say that marriage is, you know, you guys all get through this piece and its glory days forever. It’s still marriage. Life is still brings us turns and twists and emotions and we have to manage them. And how do we now partner better together because of this as opposed to being broken and really start separating and going down 2 different channels.

Shawn Cheadle [00:30:10]:
Right? That’s not gonna work if you’re trying to save it. But maybe you have to figure out a way to if that is the route because it can be for many people, you may have to communicate over younger kids. Mhmm. Right? So you need to be civil. You need to understand that there’s certain communication that needs to be authentic between you, right, around your kids for the better of the kids.

Lora Cheadle [00:30:31]:
Yeah. And and that’s, I think, a really good point too because I wanted to build a stronger marriage. I didn’t wanna go back to the marriage that we had. Shawn did not wanna go back to the marriage that we had. He wanted to build a stronger marriage. As he told me more and more, was it hard? Oh my god. It was awful to take. It was gut punch after gut punch after gut punch.

Lora Cheadle [00:30:52]:
Yes. It was really hard. And yet still, I know him better now. I know him authentically. I know him in his vulnerability. So guess what that does? It increases our connection. It increases our amount of love. I have seen him at his worst.

Lora Cheadle [00:31:13]:
I know his deepest, darkest, worst secrets, which is endearing is the wrong word. But it’s that level of vulnerability. It’s that true intimacy because now I know those things. And I didn’t wanna settle for anything less in my marriage. I didn’t want to sweep it under the rug and be like, well, we’re just gonna ignore it and just don’t tell me all those things and we’ll just forget about it. I truly believe in order to increase that intimacy, you need to share that with each other.

Shawn Cheadle [00:31:45]:
Well, what do you always say? Into me, see. Mhmm. Into me, see. I want you to see into me. Yeah. And ironically, my why was black of validation. I really thought I’m not being validated. My wife doesn’t believe me.

Shawn Cheadle [00:32:03]:
She’s not understanding me. She’s and I feel like I’m being pushed away. I feel like I was on the outside of our family. And that led me to seek validation elsewhere. Should’ve never turned physical or done any of that. Right? And nor should I have sought it elsewhere other than perhaps through therapy or my best friends. But the point is I wanted her to see into me, and I didn’t know how to express it. And so that became part of our journey and our lesson and teaching for me Yeah.

Shawn Cheadle [00:32:33]:
Was to try to express and still struggle many times

Lora Cheadle [00:32:36]:
Oh, yeah.

Shawn Cheadle [00:32:37]:
To explain what I’m feeling, why I’m feeling down, why I’m feeling angry or whatever the emotion is. Right? Done a lot of work on this for 7 years and I’m still a work in progress. So don’t think that, you know, it’s a light switch moment that you could just fix it all and it goes away. It’s it’s with you. It’s part of your memory, your muscle memory as a couple. But I also wanna say that you’re not branded. You’re not labeled. Mhmm.

Shawn Cheadle [00:33:05]:
You’re not wearing a cloak of betrayer forever. It’s not a a scarlet letter. You know? You are you. And when you become your authentic self and you step out of that because you’ve told the truth, now you’re on a journey to, I think, enlightenment between couples.

Lora Cheadle [00:33:22]:
Yeah. And I’m so glad you went there because I’m so big on identity. You are not a cheater. You are a good person. You are an honest person. You are a loyal, faithful, trustworthy

Shawn Cheadle [00:33:32]:
person who made a mistake, who makes

Lora Cheadle [00:33:33]:
several mistakes. Person who made a mistake, who made several mistakes, who made a lot of bad mistakes, all that blah blah blah. But it still doesn’t define you, and it doesn’t define me either. His acts don’t define me, but his acts don’t define him either. He could have let them define him. He could have continued to not tell the truth. What does that make you? Then that makes you a liar, but that’s not who he is. So if you are the betraying partner and you’re listening to this, I really challenge you to lean into who are you? Are you a truth teller? Are you brave? Are you courageous? Are you willing? I think there’s the whole willingness.

Lora Cheadle [00:34:16]:
Be willing to put it out there. If your partner stays or if your partner goes, that’s a different issue. But it’s about who you are. So choose who you are because I know now Shawn is a brave person. He’s a strong person. He’s an honest person. Can he make mistakes? Of course, we all can, but it’s not his core.

Shawn Cheadle [00:34:37]:
This was this was central to my recovery, and I wanna say that I had to recover too. Right? Yeah. All the re betrayers have to recover as well. Understanding who you are is where you’re gonna go. It’s where you’re gonna have to reground and build from there. And I knew that my core was pure as the days, snow, all that, right? I knew that I was not a bad person, but I’ve had a lot of issues and I fell prey to that and I shouldn’t have. And I like to think that I’m a rock and I’m strong and all those things, right? But not challenging myself with my emotions and understanding and learning and just where do I even feel it in my body. All these lessons that I learned, still practice.

Shawn Cheadle [00:35:25]:
It’s a it’s a practice that I do, you know, it’s gonna be a lifetime, frankly. It’s not over being human or human. But, you know, we’re gonna make mistakes again. I’m gonna tell you this, I’m not gonna betray you, Lora, with other persons again. That is not the mistake that I will make. I make other mistakes for sure. Still get mad, right? I have lots of ways to do many meditations and figure out tapping and all these things to calm myself. My story will be in a book someday and that’s a whole another quagmire.

Shawn Cheadle [00:35:57]:
You’ll see what led up to this, but it’s not an excuse. Right? We still did something that’s not our core. And I bet you anything, if I were to meet all the betrayers, we could identify among each other that we have a core that’s worth building on. Yeah. So

Lora Cheadle [00:36:13]:
And that’s huge. And I think that’s where that’s where all of our strength lies. It’s getting me all choked up, but that’s where all of our power lies. And that’s I say so often, the tragedy of betrayal is not the betrayal itself, but it’s in the failure to grow because of it. It’s in the failure of both of us to grow. We could have. Did did did Shawn train wreck the marriage? Absolutely. We could have left it train wrecked.

Lora Cheadle [00:36:43]:
We could have left it broken. We could have left it in the place of he’s saying, I did this because of you, and I could have left it in the place of I’m gonna take you for all your worth and hate you forever. And then we could have each told the story. He could have told he could be telling the story about his horrible wife forever and how she never validated him and how he she drove him to this. And I could be telling the story of my horrible husband who cheated on me after all I did for him. That’s a valid choice. We could’ve done it, but we both deserve.

Shawn Cheadle [00:37:12]:
Well, you bring up a a pretty powerful point, and I think a lot of betrayers do this initially, is blame. Yeah. Instead of standing in your own mistakes, right, and reviewing your own vulnerabilities and your mistakes, you know, overcome those fear, overcome the shame, you start the blame game. So they talk about shame and blame. Right? So I don’t want shame, I’m gonna blame. And I had 11 things and I actually wrote them down in the email to Lora. We still have that email. Probably the worst thing I ever did in the early phase of all this, right, is go blame her 11 different ways.

Shawn Cheadle [00:37:53]:
I was really angry about those 11 things. And I worked through all those things and none of those reasons were the reasons why. They were not my why. When you go reflect on them now, I could write a story or an essay about it. Right? But that is not for podcast. Yeah. That is not my why. And you may have done some blaming yourself, right, of your betrayed partner.

Shawn Cheadle [00:38:16]:
That is not typically your why. Some of us like the validation lack of validation. Could I blame Lora for not validating me? Well, in some sense, that’s what I was doing. But as we started working through it, you realize, I realized that it was my own communication challenge of my emotions. If Lora hurt my feelings, I would get mad and say something nasty to Lora to hurt her feelings and not tell her that she hurt my feelings. And I don’t know what man in my life ever said that phrase, and not once that I’ve been on the planet for 50 years, right? And much more now, but I did never heard a man say that to a female, well, you hurt my feelings. My sons say that, and God bless them, right, to be able to express their feelings of hurt. Because if you do it in the moment, usually she’s just flabbergasted and gassed and comes running.

Shawn Cheadle [00:39:14]:
Yeah. Like, that’s great.

Lora Cheadle [00:39:15]:
Yeah. Exactly. Let’s let’s figure it out.

Shawn Cheadle [00:39:18]:
I validated my feelings. Sue? And instead, I get mad, and now I’m bad guy because I hurt her feelings, she says. Right. After we worked through this, that happened 4 or 5 times where I said, you know what? I’m sorry. I should have said this before, but you hurt my feelings when you said this. And she was like, and I got mad at you and I hurt your feeling. I’m sorry for that, but this is where I should have said this in the beginning. Trying to get better at that to this day.

Shawn Cheadle [00:39:43]:
Right? But those are things that you’re gonna learn about yourself probably. Hopefully, you do that much work where you get to a level of understanding of who your core is. And now if your core is hurt, what are you doing about it? How are you managing your own safety? How are you encountering your partner with your emotions so that you have an authentic conversation. Talk about trickle truth. Right? Don’t let that be trickle truth.

Lora Cheadle [00:40:09]:
Yeah. Yeah. And that’s exactly where I wanted to go from here. We talk about trickle truth. You can only tell me as much as you know. And that’s why people say, do we have to talk about the affair forever? Not forever. No. But you do have to talk about it for a while because you have different layers of understanding.

Lora Cheadle [00:40:29]:
The things Shawn told me early on are different than the things he told me 3 months in and 6 months in and 9 months in and a year in. And even now, the things he’ll tell me, it’s through a different lens. So when he was first telling me the truth, it was through the lens of Lora. You invalidate me. Lora, you keep me on the outside of the family. I’m not good enough. I’m the bad guy. He was telling me his truth then through that lens.

Lora Cheadle [00:41:00]:
Now 7 years later, when we talk about things, and we still do talk about things. It’s not like it’s a daily occurrence at all. But he’ll he’ll share things and they’re different because he has a different understanding of them. So don’t poke your partner too much when they’re, like, they change their story a little. You know, there’s a difference if somebody’s really changing their story in a material way versus changing their story because they have a different understanding of their story now based on their growth.

Shawn Cheadle [00:41:40]:
Well, that’s the truth. But I everyone has a different journey. So when you get to this point, you probably recognize it when you do, you know, some get there faster than I did for sure, And some may take longer. Right? But, hopefully, the marriage will survive all of that if you’re authentically fighting for it. I did want to back up a little bit on the trickle truth piece because there’s another piece to this. And that is one of the things that’s hard to disclose is, you know, the other person. Right? It’s how you’re stopping communicating or how did you stop communicating. If you haven’t, it’s imperative that you do.

Shawn Cheadle [00:42:28]:
It’s really difficult if it’s somebody you work with, if it’s somebody that’s, you know, nearby and in your community all the time. That makes it much more difficult and you should really get some support around that. Yeah. But, you know, if you’re texting a lot of time, it has to stop. And that’s part of the truth that cannot trickle is that while I still text the other person Yes. That I still have social media to the other person. That kind of level of trickle truth and that we’ve been working on this for 4 months and you’re still engaged with this other person, that’s not gonna fly. Right? That’s really gonna be hurtful, and you’re gonna probably damage trust even more.

Shawn Cheadle [00:43:06]:
So you’ve got to figure out in your core, stop. Everything must stop. 0. Blackout, block numbers. Right? Prove it to your partner. Block them together. Whatever that takes. Right? Yeah.

Shawn Cheadle [00:43:20]:
But if it’s somebody in the community, then you’ve gotta to work out a plan to block the ongoing interaction with whoever this person is.

Lora Cheadle [00:43:28]:
Yeah. Absolutely. And like that, we have some plans. If you run into this person, you cannot be polite and just say, hi. How are you? It was like, no. You do not engage in conversation. You need to walk away. There is no I’m glad you went there because that’s

Shawn Cheadle [00:43:43]:
Well, that’s part of trickle truth. Is it, you know, is it really over? And then, you know, the person secretly, no. It’s not over. So that’s gonna be a really bad, splat if you haven’t ended that communication. So Mhmm. You know, talking about truth means also talking about truth on your ongoing, communications with the other. That should not be happening. Right? And a lot of us feel and part of the reason I think we still would do that is, you know, we suddenly feel bad about the other person and, you know, we didn’t wanna harm them and we didn’t want them in trouble in the principal’s office with us.

Shawn Cheadle [00:44:21]:
Right? And or whatever it is. There’s a lot of reasons why people try to protect the other person. I like to think that I caused it. It’s my fault. I brought that other person into the fold. And so I’m cutting it off and sorry for the other person, but, you know, I’m I’m not gonna let them down easy. I’m just that’s it. No more texting.

Shawn Cheadle [00:44:46]:
No more social media. No nothing. Yeah. And so, you know, emails, whatever it is. Right? Or as Lora said, if this is the person you meet in person, just avoid that situation altogether. Don’t be nice. Don’t engage. Hi.

Shawn Cheadle [00:45:01]:
How are you? Walk past. Yeah. Hard to do, I know, in the moment. Right? But that’s part of the truth that you’re standing in today. And to own that truth is that’s why it should not be a trickle.

Lora Cheadle [00:45:14]:
Exactly. That is a hard stop. Yeah. That is a hard stop. And, you know, the last question I want to ask you because this has come up too and you mentioned it. Why do you protect the affair partner? So many men do. And I know you did too. I was like, well, that’s and I’d be like, oh my gosh.

Lora Cheadle [00:45:32]:
You both engaged in this. And I know from my point of view, it was me or her. Are you gonna protect me, or are you going to protect her? And it was such felt like it was such a fight to be like, woo hoo. I don’t know when you need to protect, not them. So explain some of that because I know that comes Well,

Shawn Cheadle [00:45:50]:
it’s tough to explain, but, you know, my experience was that I felt they were innocent and should not be, you know, thrown under anybody’s bus. This is my problem. This is my fault. Were they, you know, also in fault because they were with a married person? Probably. Right? But that’s their own journey. It’s not for us to go send them to the principal’s office. It’s for me to stop doing what I’m doing. But it was really difficult.

Shawn Cheadle [00:46:20]:
I gotta tell you. It’s really difficult to understand how to do that. Mhmm. Took a counselor’s help, for us and for me to understand that, you know, it’s it’s not compartmented secrecy anymore. It’s it’s absolute blackout. Right? And I was okay with that because it’s not what I wanted in the first place.

Lora Cheadle [00:46:41]:
Mhmm.

Shawn Cheadle [00:46:42]:
So that’s really important to understand your why. Right? If that’s something you wanted, it may be harder to do the blackout, and you need to understand the parameters around why that’s so hard for you. Yeah. But you need to get there and not have it be a trickle truth.

Lora Cheadle [00:46:56]:
Exactly. And I’m gonna ask this question. I know the answer, but this is something I think a lot of you might be thinking. Wait.

Shawn Cheadle [00:47:04]:
Are we having a difficult conversation?

Lora Cheadle [00:47:06]:
We are. So you’re not protecting her because you love her. You’re not protecting her because you care about her and want to keep things going on with her. Right?

Shawn Cheadle [00:47:18]:
Right. This came up, right, many times.

Lora Cheadle [00:47:21]:
Yeah.

Shawn Cheadle [00:47:21]:
And and that’s the truth for me. Mhmm. If you do fall in love with somebody and that’s your reason for betrayal, you gotta tell that truth.

Lora Cheadle [00:47:29]:
Yes. And then go be

Shawn Cheadle [00:47:30]:
with that person. You gotta be ready to

Lora Cheadle [00:47:31]:
that’s what you want.

Shawn Cheadle [00:47:32]:
Well, then maybe it’s not. Go be with that person. Maybe it’s, you know, a puppy love. Maybe it’s infatuation. I don’t know. You need to understand. You have to explore that.

Lora Cheadle [00:47:42]:
But you have to tell the truth.

Shawn Cheadle [00:47:43]:
But not with the other person. Right? You have to explore with your with your partner today and the partner that you hope to save the relationship with.

Lora Cheadle [00:47:52]:
Yeah. Absolutely.

Shawn Cheadle [00:47:53]:
So but it’s it is difficult, you know, to to think, well, do were you in love with somebody? If it’s a long term relationship, what was that relationship? It’s hard to have those difficult conversations, and it’s nice when when you set it up that you’re gonna have this sort of space to have that discussion because you do need to come in prepared because it doesn’t help anybody for any of us to come together, in that space and then be quiet.

Lora Cheadle [00:48:22]:
Mhmm.

Shawn Cheadle [00:48:22]:
If we’re just gonna sit there and we can’t answer, then we’re not ready. Right? We have to be ready to open our mouth and speak. Speak your truth right there. It’ll set you free.

Lora Cheadle [00:48:33]:
Mhmm. Absolutely. Very well said. Very well said. Thank you for that. Because like I had said about that earlier too, when your partner is offering up their truth, it is their truth in that moment. And we expect them to know things sometimes that they don’t know yet. Why did you do that? I don’t know.

Lora Cheadle [00:48:57]:
Okay. Is that a cop out? Maybe it is. And then in some instances also it’s I don’t know. I don’t know. I haven’t figured that out. That was one of those things. One of the questions I had asked to one of the affair partners, but she said that you told her you loved her. Why did you do that? At first, Shauna’s like, I don’t know.

Lora Cheadle [00:49:21]:
Well, first, did I? Exactly.

Shawn Cheadle [00:49:24]:
And, oh, okay. Well, why did I do that? Right.

Lora Cheadle [00:49:28]:
Yeah. And then it took some unpacking, and it took some figuring out. And the answer

Shawn Cheadle [00:49:37]:
What do you mean? The answer to that one?

Lora Cheadle [00:49:39]:
Yeah. The answer to that one just

Shawn Cheadle [00:49:41]:
general answer.

Lora Cheadle [00:49:42]:
No. Just the answer of how that evolved. At first, it was, I didn’t. I did. Did I? I don’t know. And then later

Shawn Cheadle [00:49:51]:
Well, that’s triple truth because the truth was, yes. I did. And I was worried about that relationship unraveling. Right? And I wanted validation from that person. And so I would say it back or write it back, whatever it was. Mhmm. But it was, and that’s a weakness, right, and admit it. And that was tough to reveal, tough to stand in and tell the truth, you know, put my shoulders back and be ready.

Shawn Cheadle [00:50:20]:
But I didn’t know that right away. Yes. I never really thought about it at first why I was saying it back. And then I unpacked it. It was like, you know, I’m not going off and and living with this person ever and nor did I. And that was a long term situation where it’s a lot of talking, saw each other 6, 7 times, you know, and 5 of those were encounters. But over those over the that course, the expression of love would come up through writing or or on a conversation, and it was to appease For me, it was to appease the other person to keep getting what I was And that’s why I was selfish, and that’s why I say it was my fault. Right? So if you know your why, then you can stand in it.

Shawn Cheadle [00:51:08]:
And to me, it’s so much more relief relieving to understand that I found my truth. I was able to express it hard as it was. Right? And Lora stood in there, you know, through all this crap, and that was really hard for me to do. And it may be hard for betrayers, you know, listening to this to do as well. Yeah. And you’re not there right away necessarily. Some are. Yeah.

Shawn Cheadle [00:51:30]:
Some are more more like me.

Lora Cheadle [00:51:32]:
And it’s okay if you’re not there. It’s it’s the willingness to get there. It’s the willingness to go as far as you can go. And the thing is, whether you’re a betrayer or the betrayed partner, you can only go as far as you wanna go. You can only go as far as you’re willing to go. If you’re willing to go, you can go all the way and you can truly get the marriage that you wanted all along. And if you don’t want to, that’s your choice too. But I think what we stand for and what we’re here to express and to show you is there is hope.

Lora Cheadle [00:52:02]:
It’s scary, but it’s not necessarily as scary as you might think. It is hard. It’s really hard, but it’s it’s it’s worth it. It’s worth it. It’s shame, fear, all of that. It’s usually bigger in your head than it is when it actually comes

Shawn Cheadle [00:52:18]:
out. I will tell you this, if it’s not worth it, then have that discussion. Have that truth. Yeah. Because if it is worth it, then you will fight for it, and you will do the hard work necessary to find your why, to tell your truth, to understand what drove you if it was years ago, or it’s hard to remember, right, sketchy, whatever that is. Meditate, do hypnosis if you have to. There’s lots of ways to understand how to tell your truth and be authentic about it so that not just your partner understands, but you understand.

Lora Cheadle [00:52:52]:
Yeah. Thank you so much. Let’s kiss. Thank you. I hope that was helpful, listeners. If you want to see in your marriage, if it’s worth fighting for for both of you, it’s worth it. It really is worth it. And, you know, if it’s time to let go, it’s time to let go and let each other go and save yourself and do the work and be strong and be vulnerable.

Lora Cheadle [00:53:23]:
Because whether it’s this relationship or another one, you’re gonna make me cry. It’s always worth it. So have an amazing week, and always remember to flaunt exactly who you are because who you are is always more than enough. Infidelity does not have to be the end of the dream. It does not have to be the end of the relationship. Infidelity can be and really is the beginning. It’s the beginning of an authentic life. It’s the beginning of a new and better relationship, a relationship that is probably going to be far better than you ever imagined.

Lora Cheadle [00:54:04]:
If you’d like to connect with me, or if you and your partner would like to connect with me, you can. You can book a single session with me. You can do packs of sessions with me. We can meet once. We can meet twice. We can meet weekly, what ever you need to find the understanding and the connection and bridge that gap and get you on the other side. We can do that. Just go to my website, lorach eadle.

Lora Cheadle [00:54:37]:
Book your session, and I can’t wait to connect. There is happiness. There is so much happiness on the other side, and I will do whatever I can to help you along the way. So just know this is not the end this is only the beginning and I look forward to working with you.

Lora Cheadle [00:55:00]:
Tune in next time to flaunt, find your sparkle and create a life you love after infidelity or betrayal with Lora Cheadle every Wednesday at 7 AM and 7 PM Eastern Standard Time on syndicated Dream Vision 7 Radio Network. Uncover the truth of what’s possible for you on the other side of betrayal and develop the skills and strategies necessary to embrace the future and flourish today.