In this episode of Flaunt! Find Your Sparkle After Infidelity or Betrayal, Lora Cheadle interviews Emmy award-winning journalist and podcast host Natalie Tysdal about navigating life’s biggest challenges, including career burnout, betrayal, and personal transformation. Natalie shares her journey of leaving a toxic career in television news to pursue meaningful work that aligns with her values. She discusses the importance of health—physical, emotional, and relational—and how women can prioritize their well-being while balancing life’s demands. The conversation touches on the power of stillness, habits, and surrounding yourself with supportive, trustworthy people.
Top 3 Takeaways:
- The Three-Question Test for Change
If you’re questioning whether to stay in a job, relationship, or situation, ask yourself:- Am I happy? (Do I feel joy and fulfillment?)
- Am I proud of what I’m doing? (Does it align with my values?)
- Am I challenged in a healthy way? (Is it helping me grow?)
If the answer to any of these is “no,” it may be time for a change.
- Reframe Your Perspective with “I Get To” Instead of “I Have To”
Shifting from “I have to exercise” to “I get to move my body” transforms obligations into privileges. This mindset shift fosters gratitude, joy, and motivation for self-care and personal growth. - Create Stillness & Build Healthy Habits Through Habit Stacking
Finding moments of stillness is essential for clarity and well-being, but it’s challenging in a busy life. Use habit stacking to build new positive habits by pairing them with existing ones (e.g., stretch while waiting for coffee to brew, meditate while brushing your teeth). Small, consistent changes lead to transformation over time.
Tune in weekly for insights, expert interviews, and real-world tools to help you rise, reign, and reclaim your worth.
Betrayal Recovery Tool Kit
Find Relief, Reclaim Yourself, and Rewrite Your Story
Download your Betrayal Recovery Roadmap & Tool Kit at www.BetrayalRecoveryGuide.com and start reclaiming yourself and your life today!
About Natalie Tysdal:
Natalie Tysdal loves helping people find ways to improve their lives. She is an expert in getting to the truth and finding the right resources to help people become all they are meant to be.
She is an Emmy Award-winning news anchor, producer, and reporter with a 28-year legacy in broadcast journalism. Known for her journalistic integrity and engaging storytelling, Natalie has built a trusted reputation as a dynamic voice in media.
As a mom of three, Natalie blends her professional expertise with personal experience, making her relatable and inspiring to audiences. She is the host of The Natalie Tysdal Podcast, where she explores topics at the heart of everyday life—health, family, and faith.
Through her media company, Natalie extends her passion for communication to support businesses with marketing strategies, crisis communications, and podcast coaching and development. Whether on-screen, behind the scenes, or working with brands, Natalie’s mission is to create impactful connections and meaningful conversation.
About Lora:
Lora Cheadle is a betrayal recovery coach, attorney, and TEDx speaker who helps women heal from betrayal on an energetic, emotional, and ancestral level—while also providing legal guidance to help them navigate the practical complexities of infidelity and relationship transitions. She empowers women to rise from the ashes, reclaim their identity and self-worth, break free from repeating patterns, and step into their power with confidence, clarity, and grace.
After being shattered by her husband’s fifteen years of infidelity, Lora knows firsthand what it takes to transform devastation into an invitation for healing, freedom, and joy. Her unique approach blends deep emotional healing with tangible legal and life strategies, guiding women beyond betrayal into lives of unapologetic confidence and purpose.
As the founder of Life Choreography Coaching & Advocacy, Lora provides comprehensive legal, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual support on demand. She believes that infidelity doesn’t have to be the end of the dream you poured your heart and soul into—it can be the beginning of a life filled with sovereignty, connection, and joy.
Licensed to practice law in California and Colorado, Lora is also a trauma-aware coach, clinical hypnotherapist, somatic attachment therapist, and advanced integrated energy practitioner. She is certified in yoga, mindfulness, group fitness, and personal training, bringing a holistic perspective to healing.
She is the author of FLAUNT! Drop Your Cover and Reveal Your Smart, Sexy, & Spiritual Self (an International Book Awards Finalist and Tattered Cover Bestseller) and It’s Not Burnout, It’s Betrayal: 5 Tools to FUEL UP & Thrive. She also hosts the podcast FLAUNT! Create a Life You Love After Infidelity and Betrayal.
Based in Colorado, Lora is an adventure-seeker who loves travel, a great book, and saying yes to life’s magic.
Let’s connect! Share your thoughts or questions from this episode with Lora at loracheadle.com. New episodes every week.
Subscribe, like, share, and join Lora Cheadle on your journey to reclaim your sparkle and create a life you love.
Special Offers from Our Sponsors!
Thank you to BetterHelp for sponsoring this podcast! Take charge of your mental health and get 10% off your first month of therapy at https://BetterHelp.com/FLAUNT
Are you ready to Rise, Reclaim, and Reign as the Queen of Your Life? Infidelity may have shaken your world, but it does not define you. You are powerful. You are worthy. And you are more than capable of creating a future filled with confidence, clarity, and joy.
I’m here to walk beside you, giving you the perspective, permission, and proven tools to transform betrayal into your greatest awakening. Whether through one-on-one coaching or my on-demand Affair Recovery Programs, you’ll gain the guidance and support to untangle yourself from the past, reclaim your power, and step boldly into your next chapter.
Your transformation starts now! Learn more at www.AffairRecoveryForWomen.com and visit www.LoraCheadle.com for even more resources and inspiration.
READY TO START A BETTER CHAPTER? Step into the future you’ve always dreamed of with the power of transformative rituals with the Mindful Subscription Box. Get a monthly box full of crystals, aromatherapy, and other spiritual tools worth $120. You deserve high-quality gems, crystals, oils, and mindfulness tools for self-care that truly work. It’s a monthly dose of self-love delivered right to your door! Go to www.Mindfulsouls.com and use Discount Code LORA30 for 30% off your order!
- International Book Award, Finalist Motivational Self-Help, 2021
- Tattered Cover Bestseller, 2019
Have you spent your life playing by the rules, only to realize those rules weren’t made for you? What if you could break free—from expectations, from betrayal, from the roles you were taught to play—and reclaim your true self?
FLAUNT! is your guide to stripping away societal conditioning, healing from the heartbreak of betrayal, and rediscovering the fierce, confident woman you were born to be. With humor, wisdom, and powerful, actionable steps, Lora Cheadle empowers you to rise above the narratives that have confined you and boldly choreograph a life that is smart, sexy, spiritual, and uniquely your own.
It’s time to stop living for others and start living for you.
Buy Now on Amazon, or wherever books are sold.
It’s Not Burnout, It’s Betrayal: 5 Tools to FUEL UP & Thrive
Burnout isn’t just exhaustion—it’s a betrayal of your time, energy, and trust. This essential guide redefines burnout, exposing its hidden roots and equipping individuals, teams, and leaders with five powerful tools to reclaim their passion, purpose, and well-being.
If you’re ready to break free from burnout and step into a life of clarity, confidence, and fulfillment, this book is your roadmap.
Available now on Amazon. Download your free guide, BURNOUT UNCOVERED: Fostering Candid Conversations for Teams at www.ItsNotBurnoutItsBetrayal.com.
Transcript:
Lora Cheadle [00:00:01]:
You’re listening to Flaunt, find your sparkle and create a life you love after infidelity or betrayal, a podcast for women who’ve been betrayed by their intimate partner and want to turn their devastation into an invitation to reclaim them selves and their worth. Tune in weekly so you can start making sense of it all and learn how to be okay on the inside no matter what goes on on the outside. Download your free betrayal recovery toolkit at betrayalrecoveryguide.com.
Natalie Tysdal [00:00:34]:
Here’s what I want you to know about infidelity. What I want you to know about infidelity is it really stinks. Like, it is absolutely the worst thing I have ever been through, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. And the other thing that I know is that there are so many misconceptions about infidelity, and it drives me bonkers. Yes. There are well meaning people out there who want to help, but there’s also a lot of people who have no clue. No clue. Because they’re not in a similar situation than you.
Natalie Tysdal [00:01:10]:
They have a very different lifestyle. They have a very different marriage. They have a very different relationship. And I really want to call that out. I wanna call out why you are different, why I was different, and why the information in this podcast is so valuable for you. I also want to say it and just put it out there that I would love it if you would come work with me. Why? Let me tell you. I am an infidelity advocate.
Natalie Tysdal [00:01:45]:
I’m not just a coach, a therapist, somebody who who was cheated and has decided to do something on their own. No. No. No. No. I am an infidelity advocate. What does that mean? I’m so glad you asked. It means I am advocating for you.
Natalie Tysdal [00:02:03]:
I am advocating on behalf of you and your best interest. Sometimes your best interest might not be exactly what you think it is, and together, we will unpack that, and we will figure it out. I will advocate for you. I will help you get what you need, whether it’s from a therapist, a clergy member, a financial planner, or a lawyer. I am going to help you advocate on behalf of yourself so you can get what you need. Communication is essential. It is essential. And when we are activated, when our nervous systems are all out of whack, oh my gosh, it’s so hard to communicate because we’re offline.
Natalie Tysdal [00:02:56]:
Our brains are going haywire. And when you work with me, you learn how to identify when you’re out of whack, when your nervous system is activated. And I give you tools and tips and techniques to calm down, to slow down, to create space so you can start communicating. I help you figure out how to heal on an ancestral level, on a solo level, on an intellectual level, on an emotional level, on all the levels. What I do is not about betrayal recovery. What I do is transformation. I help you take this situation that is probably the worst thing that has ever happened in your life, and I hope you use it for good. Because that’s what matters.
Natalie Tysdal [00:03:46]:
Using your situation for good. Using it as a catalyst to create something that you want, to become the woman that you want to be. There are several different ways of working with me. Yes. We can meet one on one. We can meet for one appointment. We can meet for three six hundred and twelve appointments. Or my favorite way to work is in a six month container where we walk side by side, hand in hand.
Natalie Tysdal [00:04:17]:
You have access to me via the Voxer app twenty four seven. I want you telling me what’s going on so I can whisper back in your ear and be like, okay. Let’s manage this. Okay. What about this? Okay. Think about this. Go see your therapist. Go read this book.
Natalie Tysdal [00:04:37]:
Go check out this podcast. Go read this blog. I am like the concierge who will tell you where to go and what to do so you are not left in the dark, so you’re not struggling, so you’re not making mistakes, so you can figure it out and get where you wanna be. And you know what? Here’s the truth too. So many of us don’t know where we wanna be, and that’s okay too. I will help you figure out where you want to be. Because a huge piece of this is the realization that we lost ourselves along the way. We gave up too much of who we are in order to have a marriage, have a family, build a career, do all of the things.
Natalie Tysdal [00:05:27]:
And infidelity, the reason sometimes I’m like, it’s a gift, people. It’s a gift, is it gives you that opportunity to go back, to rebuild, to reclaim everything you let go of, to build the kind of relationship that you want, and to become exactly the woman that you know you deserve to be. So if you wanna get information on my programs, whether it’s my six month Rise and Rain program, my ninety day starting strong program, or whether you’re like, let’s just do a few sessions. I need you in my life. I don’t care if we meet every day or once a week. Go to affairrecoveryforwomen.com. Affair recovery for women Com. There are three links.
Natalie Tysdal [00:06:15]:
The first link is to the starting strong program. The second link is to my individual sessions. And the third link, the one I really want you to think about and focus on, is to my Rise and Reign six month container where we do this together, and I guide you through step at a time. So affairrecoveryforwomen.com, and I can’t wait to see who you become on the other side. Hello, and welcome to Flaunt, create a life you love after infidelity or betrayal. I’m Lora Cheadle, and today’s guest is really going to inspire you. My hope for you is that by the end of the show today, you just have these warm fuzzies, but that you also feel really empowered and clear and ready to move forward and to process whatever it is that has been either holding you back or bringing you down. Natalie Tisdell is an Emmy award winning news anchor, producer, and reporter with a twenty eight year legacy in broadcast journalism.
Natalie Tysdal [00:07:28]:
Known for her journalistic integrity and engaging storytelling, Natalie has built a trusted reputation as a dynamic voice in media. As a mom of three, she blends her professional experience with personal experience, making her relatable and inspiring. And oh, boy, does she inspire me. She is the host of the Natalie Tisdale podcast where she explores topics at the heart of everyday life, health, family, and, of course, faith. So welcome to the show, Natalie.
Lora Cheadle [00:08:03]:
So good to be with you, Lora.
Natalie Tysdal [00:08:05]:
Oh, it’s so good to have you here. Okay. Let’s start with this frame. We’re women. Women listen to this show. We have big hearts. We go through a lot, but I think what connects us all is our desire to do right by our family, love our friends, take care of people, and make the world a better place. And sometimes despite our best effort, things wear us down.
Natalie Tysdal [00:08:35]:
I’d love for you to share maybe some of the stressors in your life and how you remain positive, connected, and happy through it all.
Lora Cheadle [00:08:44]:
You mean current or past? Well, we’ve all got them both.
Natalie Tysdal [00:08:48]:
You know, all of the above. Whatever feels most relevant for you to dive into, let’s dive into that.
Lora Cheadle [00:08:55]:
Well, I think that’s probably a great place to start is just for people to know that that’s normal. Like, it’s not going to go away. We we tend to have this this image or picture of what we need be to be perfect. And if that’s the standard we set ourselves to, we will fail. And so to know that I have stressors every day, I have plenty of past stressors every day, but it’s how we work through those things. And, and the people we lean on, the things we do to successfully make it through those stresses in life. So let’s go past. Okay? Because, that if we can let’s get into the career part in the past.
Lora Cheadle [00:09:36]:
You know, this is a big part of your last book. But I spent many, many years, trying to reach this goal, and I finally did of this career aspiration that I had, to be a television journalist. And, and I loved my career for many years, but it became a stress. It became what I often call toxic. And for those who watch the news, they know news can be toxic. And when you expose yourself to it day in and day out for many hours a day and I did a a morning show in Denver, and started as a three and a half hour morning show by the time I left. You know, news is twenty four seven. By the time I left, I was doing five hours a day of live TV, And, And, that became a stress.
Lora Cheadle [00:10:37]:
And that thing that I had worked so hard for I know your story is similar as a lawyer, but that thing that I worked so hard for became the problem in my life. But I didn’t wanna give it up, and people would always say, you have such a glamorous job. And I would say, oh, thanks. And I think I held on to it for a long time because I felt like, well, everybody tells me this is such a great job, but I’m not feeling it. Yes. During COVID, when a lot of us reanalyzed our lives, I was able to take a step back. I was broadcasting out of my basement at the time. Had a whole setup with a television and cameras and lights and a teleprompter.
Lora Cheadle [00:11:15]:
But I would just kinda mosey down in the morning with my, pajama bottoms and my professional top and do the morning show, but I realized I don’t have to do this. I can tell the stories I want to tell. I can interview the people I want to interview out of my basement or now out of my home office, and I don’t have to live by someone else’s rules. I don’t have to do the stories they’re telling me to do that I feel like are causing harm. So that big stress actually became a relief when I was aware that I could do this myself. So that that’s a little bit of my background, probably the biggest stress moment.
Natalie Tysdal [00:11:55]:
Yeah. I love it. There are two points in that story that I kinda wanna talk about. First is that turning point. It’s great. It’s what I wanted. I achieved it. Okay.
Natalie Tysdal [00:12:07]:
I’m not happy. I’m not happy. How do you know when it goes from stress to toxic? When it goes from I’m going I’m having a difficult moment to I gotta leave because that’s hard to know.
Lora Cheadle [00:12:23]:
Yeah. You know, early in my television career, I did an amazing workshop that helped me analyze. And I actually I did an episode on this. I’ll I’ll I’ll give you the the the episode number. Oh, good. But I did an episode on how to know how because so many people ask me, how did you know when to leave? Especially when it’s a really cool thing that people are like, that’s a dream job. I’m like, yeah. It sounds like it, but it just wasn’t that anymore for me.
Lora Cheadle [00:12:54]:
So the the the things that I go back to when it comes to that turning point are, a, am I happy with what I’m doing? And when I say happy, like, really are you happy? Do you feel joy in that thing? Do you look forward? Do you wake up and look forward to that thing? Whatever it is, a relationship, a job, a volunteer thing, whatever it is. Are you do you feel joy with that and to really get in in touch with yourself to to determine that? And then next, are you proud of it? Are you proud of what you’re doing? And that was a big one for me. All all three of the things I’m gonna tell you became an issue, but I I just wasn’t happy. I didn’t look forward to it. Part of it was the hours because I went in at 02:30 in the morning. I justified that by thinking, oh, I get to be home all afternoon with my kids. I get to be a mom and a professional woman. That sounds great until you’re so exhausted that you’re not good at either one.
Lora Cheadle [00:13:51]:
So that second thing, are you proud? I wasn’t very proud. As a matter of fact, I wasn’t at all proud of the material that we were putting out. I felt like it was fear inducing and toxic to a lot of people. I was proud of the health stories I was doing, which is then how I parlayed that into a podcast. So the thing you are proud of, how can you take that into something else? So are you happy? Are you proud? And then the third one, are you challenged? Are you challenged in a healthy way? Because for me, my challenge wasn’t the job. It was the sleep, and it was all of the wrong things. So if you can give yourself, your own quiz and ask yourself those three things, I think it’ll it’ll help people in making those tough decisions.
Natalie Tysdal [00:14:42]:
I really like that. And I do want to pick apart some of those things. But before I do, I wanna go back to that second part that I said. The first one was how do you know the turning point? The second one was, you said, I wanted to tell my own stories. And I realized I could do that in my basement. I could have my podcast. I could create my own home studio. I could do it my way.
Natalie Tysdal [00:15:09]:
So my question around that is that had to be a mix of both excitement and thrill. And Fear. Fear. Yes. And how you manage that fear? Was it the same three steps, or did you do something different to kinda get through that fear and make the leap?
Lora Cheadle [00:15:31]:
You know, practically speaking, I think the answer for me was that I started before I stopped. So I started the podcast because we can all do that. As a matter of fact, I teach podcasting now because I found such a joy in having that ability to do tell my own story. Yeah. To help people learn from what I went through. So, your question was
Natalie Tysdal [00:15:57]:
what was your question? No. That’s fine. Getting over the fear because it would be so exciting but so scary. And what made you take that leap and be like, I’m gonna take this risk, and I’m gonna do it. If it blows up in my face, I’m okay. If I’m wildly successful, I’m okay.
Lora Cheadle [00:16:12]:
Yeah. And that was the I started before I stopped. I started the podcast before I left the business. So I got that little running start. I I dipped my toes in it. I got to do it. I understood what the process was, and, and I felt good about it. You know, it it takes courage.
Lora Cheadle [00:16:32]:
And and I and I totally understand people saying, but I can’t leave that nine to five. I mean, I have bills to pay. Right? I can’t just if it’s a job, I can’t just leave. You really have to go all in. And it’s okay to dabble a little bit until you have that confidence.
Natalie Tysdal [00:16:48]:
Mhmm. Mhmm. Until you know. And I think sometimes it’s just faith that we do have to just take that leap.
Lora Cheadle [00:16:59]:
Yeah. Absolutely. And I I think that is one of the the hardest parts for people
Natalie Tysdal [00:17:04]:
Yes.
Lora Cheadle [00:17:04]:
Is just having the courage and knowing I can do it. I can have that faith and, and working through it and then just really working hard. I I’ve, I’ve never had a problem with that. Well, more, maybe more recently
Natalie Tysdal [00:17:18]:
here at this stage of life,
Lora Cheadle [00:17:19]:
my energy levels aren’t as high as they were early in the business, but just really working hard and, you know, being organized, having a system, those things all help.
Natalie Tysdal [00:17:29]:
Yeah, they do. They do. And what I love about your wisdom is it’s timeless and it goes across every, quote, unquote, problem, whether it’s career like you were talking about, whether it’s, like, what I went through. My husband cheated on me. What do I do? How do I make those decisions? What is the turning point? How it doesn’t matter if it’s a health diagnosis, if it’s something with your kids. The wisdom that you’re sharing is wisdom that women can use in any situation to move themselves forwards and to help them decide what to do.
Lora Cheadle [00:18:05]:
Absolutely. Yeah. And I think there there there are other things I think we can do. For me, my faith is a huge part of it. I mean, I I prayed my way through this. I knew that I couldn’t do this myself. I knew I needed help. And part of that was finding a good group of friends.
Lora Cheadle [00:18:24]:
Yeah. And I mean, God put the right people in my life at the right time that I had people to lean on and being open to that and really realizing that we’re not meant to do this alone, that we need our community. No. And I struggle with that because as a strong woman, I wanna be able to do it myself. And I’ve been able to accomplish a lot of things myself. But being able to say, I’m not meant to do this alone. I need friends and mentors. We all do.
Lora Cheadle [00:18:54]:
So as a strong woman, that’s a huge piece of advice that someone gave me is to, yes, you’re strong, but that doesn’t mean you don’t need other people.
Natalie Tysdal [00:19:02]:
I appreciate that so much. Same thing. I experienced that a lot. I know that a lot of the listeners here have experienced that too. They’re like, I don’t wanna tell my story. People are gonna judge me. People are gonna think I’m weak or to blame or crazy for staying. So, yeah, friendship.
Natalie Tysdal [00:19:21]:
That’s a huge one. And I you also mentioned mentoring. Whether it’s formal or informal, I agree. Mentors are huge. Do you have anybody in your life that you either have or currently constantly look up to that can serve as a North Star for you?
Lora Cheadle [00:19:39]:
Absolutely. And, again, faith is a big part of this for me because the right people, really showed up at the right time. And I could have easily said, you’re my friend. Let’s have coffee, but now I’m gonna go do this on my own. But to really lean into those people that share the same values and, the same work ethic, those things that you do and say, actually say I’m struggling with a, b, and c. I mean, I don’t know about you, Lora and everyone listening. Do you admit the things you’re struggling with or and maybe it’s our generation. I think some of it has to do with our generation.
Natalie Tysdal [00:20:18]:
Yeah.
Lora Cheadle [00:20:18]:
Where we so we just don’t wanna admit our faults or our struggles.
Natalie Tysdal [00:20:24]:
Yes. And it goes back to what you said earlier. It’s that perfection piece. I am absolutely a perfectionist, and I will do everything to create the perfect life, the perfect image. Not it’s weird because it’s like, why? Sometimes I’ll ask myself why. Well, because you’re supposed to be perfect. Right? Mhmm.
Lora Cheadle [00:20:44]:
You told us that. Where did we why do we think that? Yeah. So, yeah, it’s a female thing. Exactly.
Natalie Tysdal [00:20:51]:
But you’re right. Admitting I’m struggling. That’s hard.
Lora Cheadle [00:20:56]:
Yeah. That’s hard. And I, you know, I, I just call it the power of vulnerability when we can be vulnerable with someone and we can say, this is what I’m struggling with, can you help me with this? It’s amazing how that actually strengthens you.
Natalie Tysdal [00:21:12]:
Yeah. And that’s one of the things I appreciate so much about your podcast. I was actually just listening to an episode you did recently on aging. And even though it’s not like an episode where people come up on and say, I’m struggling with aging, it’s something that we all think about. It’s something that we all worry about. It’s something that’s on our mind, and you’re not afraid to tackle those things that are on our minds, but in a positive constructive way. It’s not just that we’re all gonna complain about how horrible it is. It’s Yeah.
Natalie Tysdal [00:21:42]:
And then what can we do?
Lora Cheadle [00:21:44]:
Yeah. That’s what you just mentioned is what’s on our mind. That’s what I try to, that’s what I try to focus on and the topics that I really try to focus on scientifically based. I mean, where I found my strength as a journalist was in health news. And I I loved being able to tell these stories, talking to doctors, talking to psychologists, talking to mental health, and you name it. I have interviewed thousands of health, experts. Yes. And that’s where I found people listened and got the most benefit out of the news business.
Lora Cheadle [00:22:21]:
That’s where I would get emails and calls, and they would say, I didn’t know this procedure existed. And I would say, you can empower yourself by learning. You can empower yourself by asking all of those questions. So my parlay from the traditional news business into podcasting became all about empowering people as a health journalist to scientifically get the best information and empower themselves.
Natalie Tysdal [00:22:48]:
Yeah. I love that. And that was my focus too when I created this podcast. When I went through the infidelity experience, the narrative in my head is it’s over. Leave him. Take him for all it’s worth. Get out of there, girl. You go.
Natalie Tysdal [00:23:03]:
You and it was like my heart said, no. That doesn’t feel right. And it was really hard to find information out there. What’s a different narrative? How do you heal? What does trauma do to a person, both his trauma and my trauma? What about our family? What about our finances? What about our twenty five year history together? Like, that information wasn’t out there. And until we have that information, we don’t know what we don’t know.
Lora Cheadle [00:23:30]:
Yeah.
Natalie Tysdal [00:23:31]:
Yeah. So I’m glad that you did that. And that’s where I kinda wanna lean into next is that health piece. Going through a stressful or a traumatic situation impacts our health. Mhmm. You talked about, like, staying getting up so early and being tired, and that wears on a body. When I went through the infidelity, I couldn’t sleep. I couldn’t eat.
Natalie Tysdal [00:23:50]:
I was agitated all the time. Let’s talk about health and, specifically, women’s health and specifically women who don’t want to admit what they’re that they’re struggling. What is your advice and insight on taking care of your health?
Lora Cheadle [00:24:06]:
Oh my goodness. Well, this is what I talk about day in and day out. Yes. And I think first, if I can just go back for a moment that the news business has changed so much that it’s it’s hard to know who to trust. And I have found and it’s a whole different podcast, but I have found that we don’t turn on the TV often and say, I just trust that network. But what people have started to lean into is I trust that person. I’ve gotten to know that person. I trust their insight.
Lora Cheadle [00:24:39]:
I trust their judgment. I trust their research. And that’s why I felt like it and we’re seeing it all over the place now with different journalists that we can follow them on their podcast, on their social media, and know I can trust it if they’re putting that out. So that’s why I started the podcast, and that’s where for women who are like you and me and they are burned out. They don’t know either which diet or which sleep advice. I mean, there’s so much out there, Lora. It’s, it’s like there are 5,000,000 different things I can take to help me sleep better, but what really works and what really matters? Be it mental health strategies. That’s a lot.
Lora Cheadle [00:25:21]:
That’s most of the time why people can’t sleep. Does your brain, is your brain really active at night? Oh, yeah. Mine is. Yeah.
Natalie Tysdal [00:25:29]:
All the time. It’s active at the time.
Lora Cheadle [00:25:31]:
I know you You go to bed and then all of a sudden all these things start. So getting that help either from the the mental health side, the meditation, the supplements that help with that. So, when you ask, like, what types of health things, there’s such an array. There are so many things. And and a lot of that has to do for me and, many of the podcasts at all that I do are, on a natural way to do that. There are a lot of medications, and they are needed. But where can we go first? And where can we draw back if we’re already taking? And one of the one of my favorite interviews early in my career was, with a former pharmacist who left being a pharmacist because what she found was that you start taking one drug and it leads to another drug, and then you’re taking another drug, and they all cause other problems. Mhmm.
Lora Cheadle [00:26:26]:
And so if you’re taking all of those and as a pharmacist, she realized that and then wrote a book and did many things to help people get away from all of that. And she called it drug muggers. And it was, how can we take them away so we actually know what the problem is?
Natalie Tysdal [00:26:41]:
Mhmm. Yes.
Lora Cheadle [00:26:42]:
And that really sparked energy in me to help people get to the root of the problem so that if you do have to take a formalized type of medication, that you’re doing it for the right thing.
Natalie Tysdal [00:26:56]:
Yes. I I appreciate that. I really appreciate that. And I love what you said about your trusting the person because that also goes back into what you were talking earlier about some friendships and connecting with people. Because people listen to your podcast. Oh, Natalie’s trustworthy. Wow. She talks about, you know, the supplement.
Natalie Tysdal [00:27:13]:
She talks about the importance of sleep. Then you meet with a friend who’s struggling. And then you can say, you know what? It’s great that you’re taking that pharmaceutical, but here’s another point of view. Mhmm. And then it builds that trust, and we share, and it creates that network between all of us so we can really grow and learn.
Lora Cheadle [00:27:31]:
Yeah, absolutely. And that’s that’s the power of friendships and networks. And again, vulnerability and being able to say, I’m feeling like this. What have you learned about this?
Natalie Tysdal [00:27:42]:
Mhmm. Mhmm. And you had mentioned something earlier about that it’s normal to have struggles. It’s normal. We have a lot going on. We’re wives. We’re moms. We’re having careers.
Natalie Tysdal [00:27:54]:
We’re sisters, daughters. It’s hard. It’s really hard. And I think sometimes if we normalize that it’s hard, we feel less alone in that.
Lora Cheadle [00:28:04]:
Yeah. I mean, that’s life, right?
Natalie Tysdal [00:28:06]:
It is.
Lora Cheadle [00:28:07]:
For some reason, we we have this expectation of things being perfect. And if they’re ever perfect, then it’s probably not normal or you’re fooling yourself.
Natalie Tysdal [00:28:18]:
Exactly. Now, you also said earlier that your podcast focuses on what’s on your mind. What are the top things that are on women’s minds?
Lora Cheadle [00:28:32]:
Balance and it doesn’t exist. Balance, but balance emotionally, physically, in our relationships. And and I do do topics on that because I think it impacts our health. Yes. Health is is my main priority, on the podcast. But absolutely, if our relationships and with, like, what you do, if your relationship is struggling, that’s gonna impact your health physically. Yes. It’s it’s gonna impact your mental health.
Lora Cheadle [00:29:03]:
You’re gonna wake up worrying about that. Then your cortisol levels are gonna be high. Then you’re gonna be tired. Then you’re not gonna sleep well. And it forms this whole pattern of being out of balance that, causes other issues. And then all of a sudden, you’re taking a medication to help you deal with it. Yeah. So finding that somewhat of a balance for you and it’s going to look different for every person.
Natalie Tysdal [00:29:29]:
What I love about the word balance is when you find your balance, like you’re doing yoga and you’re doing tree pose and you’re standing there, You don’t hit the pose and you stand there. You creep your way up. You wobble. You fall out. You touch your toe. And then you find it and you’re like, voila. I’ve got it. And then sometimes you release it and sometimes you just fall out of it.
Natalie Tysdal [00:29:51]:
But I like that’s what I like about that word. It’s not a destination. You just kinda journey towards it and sometimes you hit it for a moment and then you fall out of balance and that’s all okay.
Lora Cheadle [00:30:02]:
Yeah. You know what? It yoga is is a really good analogy for this because I don’t like yoga. But you know why? Because it requires me to be still. It requires me to slow down enough and commit, and it’s hard. And I admit it. I’m being vulnerable with you. Mhmm. I admit that my brain doesn’t wanna slow down long enough to do yoga.
Lora Cheadle [00:30:28]:
So if it’s yoga for one person, walks are where I find that. It’s but I have to be able to slow down enough to stop the long list of the to do list in front of myself to go off and do. For some people, it’s yoga. For some people like me, it’s a really good walk in nature. I get so much from fresh air and Mhmm. The trees around me, the, the the grass under my feet. Like, I think there’s a grounding that happens when we do that. But whatever it is for you and just know what it is and try different things Mhmm.
Lora Cheadle [00:31:06]:
That that that you slow down long enough to let yourself be still, and that’s where you’re gonna see
Natalie Tysdal [00:31:14]:
change. Yeah. That’s really good advice because that is something that women say to me often when I start coaching with them. They they they do this laundry list. Well, I tried and it didn’t work. And it’s like, okay. First of all, maybe try it twice, see if it works. And then if it doesn’t, how can you critically break that down? Like you so eloquently said, I don’t want my mind doesn’t wanna do it.
Natalie Tysdal [00:31:36]:
My mind doesn’t wanna slow down. That’s feedback. Okay. So what might work better? Oh, a walk in nature. I’m engaged. I’m looking. I’m feeling the fresh air. My senses are engaged.
Natalie Tysdal [00:31:48]:
So my mind has things to grasp on to, and it works for me.
Lora Cheadle [00:31:53]:
Yeah. Yeah. And there’s something about that being still that, and it’s funny. I so I have two daughters and a son, and and my daughters are just like me. And I’m sometimes I think that’s really great. And sometimes I say, I’m sorry. Please learn from me because my my oldest daughter, she has taken a job, twice a week that’s two hours away from where she lives. So she commutes to and she calls me on this commute.
Lora Cheadle [00:32:23]:
And it’s such a blessing because I get this time with her. But at the same time, I say to her, like, it’s okay to just be in your own head for two hours. But we, she wants me to help her fill that time. And I love that because I love the time with her, but. You know what it’s like when we I’m by myself, there’s no one to entertain me. I’m driving. Should I turn on music? I’m like, sometimes that’s a really good place, even if it’s your walk, whatever that is to stop all of that commotion, to stop that chatter, to stop that conversation, and just be still. Do you struggle with that? Most women do.
Natalie Tysdal [00:33:02]:
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because there’s that pressure. And I think some of it goes back to that perfectionism too. I should be doing something. I should be doing something. Yeah.
Lora Cheadle [00:33:13]:
We should ourselves a lot, don’t we?
Natalie Tysdal [00:33:15]:
Yes. We do. I wanna talk a little bit about being this whole woman, being healthy. I love how you said balance isn’t real, but striving for it. Focusing on the emotional wellness, the physical wellness, the relation the relational wellness. In your words, what does it mean to be a balanced, whole, healthy woman?
Lora Cheadle [00:33:40]:
Oh, there are so many parts of that. I think you hit all of them very nicely. I think we have to consider our physical health first. I do too. You know, when you’ve got that balanced, then and and you could argue it goes a lot of different ways. But to get enough sleep, that was something I I I didn’t do well for many years, but I felt like, well, I’m doing everyone else favors here. My kids, my job. I’ll just work my way through this.
Lora Cheadle [00:34:10]:
And I would get by on four to five hours sleep a night.
Natalie Tysdal [00:34:13]:
Mhmm.
Lora Cheadle [00:34:13]:
I took years off of my life. Don’t let that happen. Sleep is and has to be a priority. And if that’s eight hours for you, know what that sweet spot is for you, and then get it. Prioritize it. Don’t feel like you’re being selfish in getting that. So that to me physically is number one. Then it’s, are you eating the right things? You know, the world will tell us that go ahead.
Lora Cheadle [00:34:40]:
You can eat this and that’ll be fine. And we do crave the sugar, the salts, the all of those things, but to be very intentional about what you’re putting in your body, because that’s going to affect how you sleep. It’s going to affect how you act. It’s gonna affect as you just listen to the episode on skin. And same with exercise that we wanna think, oh, I can just do this once a week or go on the walk here and there, but those are things that matter more than we realize. And you’re it’s self care to do that. It’s it’s you’re really you’re. Giving yourself years by doing those things.
Natalie Tysdal [00:35:19]:
Yes. And I wanna tag on because when you talked about self care, so many women will say things like, well, I’m doing it for maintenance. And the energy that they put into it is kind of aggressive. I’m sleeping. I gotta sleep. I’m exercising. Watch me exercise. And that those are the moments, those are the most ideal moments where we can drop in.
Natalie Tysdal [00:35:42]:
Like you talked about sitting in the sitting in the car and just being with yourself. How can we enjoy sleep? Enjoy moments laying in bed even if we can’t sleep? How can we comfort ourselves? How can we bring some elegance and some beauty to maybe preparing our food, or looking and appreciating the sweetness of fresh food? How can we connect to how we feel in our exercise and not just like, yeah, I’m in a class, but I’m totally not feeling my body?
Lora Cheadle [00:36:14]:
You know where the switch came for me and how I advise women now is for a long time, it was the the list of what I had to do.
Natalie Tysdal [00:36:24]:
I
Lora Cheadle [00:36:24]:
had to do it because someone told me that was the right thing to do. Mhmm. And the where the switch came for me was that I get to do this. It’s not I have to work out three or four times a week, or I’m not gonna live a long life, or I’m not gonna lose the weight or but to actually think for myself, I get to eat healthy food. Wow. I get to eat these beautiful fruits and vegetables where the colors are amazing. The colors are real. They’re not food dyes.
Lora Cheadle [00:36:59]:
I get to eat this. Yeah. And there are many people in the world who don’t have that privilege.
Natalie Tysdal [00:37:05]:
Right.
Lora Cheadle [00:37:05]:
And same thing with exercise that I actually get to do this. Wow. That’s amazing that
Natalie Tysdal [00:37:10]:
I have the opportunity
Lora Cheadle [00:37:10]:
to do this. So to towards exercise. It can apply towards food. You it can even be I get to prepare my own meal. I don’t have to order food or go out. Actually, I get to enjoy this time. So reframing that in that way, but anything in life. Like, I I it’s such a it’s such a funny thing because it can even be, I get to go to work today.
Lora Cheadle [00:37:41]:
What a privilege.
Natalie Tysdal [00:37:43]:
Yeah. I love that phrase. I wrote that down, and I’m definitely putting that in the notes too. I get to because also for infidelity, I got to repair my marriage. I got to learn how to value myself.
Lora Cheadle [00:37:59]:
Yeah.
Natalie Tysdal [00:37:59]:
I get the relationship of my dreams right now every day. And when we have bad days and when we have fights, because we’re a real couple and we really do. We really do. Yeah. I get to learn more communication skills. I get to work with another human being. I get to go deeper. And, woah.
Natalie Tysdal [00:38:18]:
I mean, that’s humbling. That’s beautiful, and that’s humbling, and that’s what life is really all about.
Lora Cheadle [00:38:26]:
And I challenge people when you find yourself saying to yourself either in your mind or out loud, I have to do something. Try to replace that word with get it. It’ll, it’ll be a little shocking at first, especially for your children, for your children to hear you say I get to go to work versus I have to go to work today. What a great model you are to them of, of of being positive and realizing that that’s a privilege that we have those things. Now sometimes we want those jobs to change and everything, but then it’s I get to make a choice for myself. I get to change my job if I want to. So when you find yourself using the word have, I have to do something, replace it and see how that feels. It’ll feel funny at first, but it works.
Natalie Tysdal [00:39:12]:
Natalie, that’s my favorite thing ever. I’m just gonna say that’s my favorite
Lora Cheadle [00:39:16]:
thing ever. Life changing. Yeah.
Natalie Tysdal [00:39:17]:
Yeah. It really is. And I think that also goes back to the turning point where we talked originally. How did you figure it out? What was the turning point? Dream career, kind of feeling stressful. Oh my gosh. It’s toxic. Everything has changed. And you gave us those three filter questions.
Natalie Tysdal [00:39:36]:
One, am I happy? Am I excited? Am I feeling joy? Two, am I proud of what I’m doing? And then three, is this challenging me? How how am I going through this? Mhmm. Just moving that into this frame, you’ve got to ask yourself those questions.
Lora Cheadle [00:39:54]:
Yeah.
Natalie Tysdal [00:39:54]:
You get to ascertain. You get to go deep. You get to crowdsource it with friends if you want. You get to pray about it, and then you get to make a decision.
Lora Cheadle [00:40:04]:
Yep. Absolutely. And for me, that was, I just I think COVID, as horrible as it was, allowed so many of us to be still long enough to reanalyze our lives, see what was important, and make some pretty big changes. And that was the turning point for me.
Natalie Tysdal [00:40:24]:
Yeah. In crisis, there’s always huge opportunity. Yeah.
Lora Cheadle [00:40:31]:
Always. Always. We don’t wanna admit that, but always.
Natalie Tysdal [00:40:36]:
Yeah. And that’s that’s why my listeners are here too. They are in a horrible crisis. Infidelity is the worst thing that has ever happened to me. It’s awful. It guts you on so many different levels, but it forced
Lora Cheadle [00:40:51]:
you didn’t it. It forces, it forces you to reanalyze what’s important to you. Yes. What matters most? Yes. And where do you find that strength and what do you really want out of life?
Natalie Tysdal [00:41:04]:
Yes. And to see things we didn’t want to see.
Lora Cheadle [00:41:07]:
Yeah. I like to say, and I’m, I’m sure people have heard this, but I have lived through it. We don’t grow on the mountain top. We just don’t. But we will grow in the valley, but we need people to walk that valley with us. Yes. We do. Try to do that alone.
Natalie Tysdal [00:41:24]:
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that’s why I really appreciate what you said about trustworthy people. Find the people that you trust. Mhmm. Find the person that you know gives good advice and that is not going to steer you wrong, but will have your heart and hold your heart and lead you forward.
Lora Cheadle [00:41:40]:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s and that’s the you know, you are the sum of your five closest friends. Yes. Who are those people, and what values do they have? Are they sharing the values that you hold important? And are they breathing that into you in your hard times?
Natalie Tysdal [00:41:58]:
Yes. And tying that to the news cycle too. You’re right. There’s a lot of fear. There’s a lot of agitation. How do I feel after watching this news? Is my nervous system activated, or do I feel empowered? Same with friends. Am I activated, or am I empowered? Am I held, or am I dismissed?
Lora Cheadle [00:42:18]:
Yes.
Natalie Tysdal [00:42:19]:
And I don’t think a lot of women especially have been trained to ask themselves how they feel and if this is helpful or if this is harmful. Yeah. Because we’ll rock the boat if we do. And a lot of people don’t want us to rock the boat.
Lora Cheadle [00:42:34]:
Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. And and I think you mentioned the the news cycle and what are you filling your brain with? Yeah. I think that’s really important for us to address as well because if your habit is to wake up in the morning and turn on the news, well, think of how you’re starting your day. Is that how you wanna start your day? I mean, maybe you’re listening to a really positive news show, but I don’t know too many of them out there unless you found some podcasts like mine and yours and others. What are you starting your day with? What are you ending your day with? Yes. My my favorite routine and, you know, I used to think I have to get up and I I went straight to work in the morning for so many years.
Lora Cheadle [00:43:12]:
It was literally roll out of bed, grab a cup of coffee, get ready for the show in the dressing room at work and on the air by 4AM. I didn’t have the opportunity to have a morning routine, that was that was healthy. And now my favorite thing is waking up before everybody else, right before the sun comes up. I love I love the dusk. It’s such a beautiful time of day. Yes. And I grab my cup of coffee because I’ve made it the night before, and I can smell it when I wake up. Mhmm.
Lora Cheadle [00:43:45]:
And then in those first twenty minutes or so, just sitting on my little couch, it’s right behind me, in fact, my dog by my side, my coffee. I have my red light therapy, which I just find so helpful and, good for my body and filling my mind with things that are positive. It’s a devotion for me in the morning. I opened my Bible. I’ve I’ve read something that’s encouraging, a journal for a few minutes. We’re talking twenty minutes. Sometimes it goes a little bit longer. Yeah.
Lora Cheadle [00:44:15]:
But then the other thing that I’ll mention after that is then I can open my phone, and my phone is curated to feed positive things to me. And as much as we don’t like social media for our mental health, it can be positive if we’ve curated it that way. And I can explain that because Yes. What my social media will look very different from my teenagers social media, but we can train even our teenagers, if they’re going to be on social media to curate that social media in a positive way. The algorithm will start picking up on the things that we tell it to. So if I’m searching for positive things, if I’m searching for scripture, mental health, health tips, we’re gonna get more of that. So when I open my feed, I am so encouraged. And if there’s something that’s not encouraging to me or distracting to me, I unfollow it.
Lora Cheadle [00:45:12]:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we can control that narrative.
Natalie Tysdal [00:45:17]:
Yes. And I love that tip because well, like we said at the beginning, life is hard. I was betrayed by my intimate partner, but I felt betrayed at work. Hence, my second book. You talked about you felt like your career betrayed you. When things go wrong, COVID. I think so many of us felt like the world is betraying us. How can this be that we can be shut down? Betrayal is everywhere.
Natalie Tysdal [00:45:44]:
Yeah. Well, what you can control is those twenty minutes.
Lora Cheadle [00:45:47]:
Yeah. Absolutely.
Natalie Tysdal [00:45:50]:
Yeah. Yeah. And leaning into the positivity and the health. And I want to talk a little bit more also about health because sometimes people get the wrong impression that exercise is about being size two or that health and wellness is about being beautiful.
Lora Cheadle [00:46:09]:
Mhmm.
Natalie Tysdal [00:46:09]:
And it’s like, I wanna look good because it makes me feel good. I want to be a healthier weight because it makes me feel good, but it’s not about the aesthetic. It’s about the feeling of how I feel.
Lora Cheadle [00:46:23]:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Isn’t it? So, I mean, how many times have you met someone who just makes you feel so good? Their aura, their, you know, their physical beauty is so minute compared to how they make you feel. Yes. And I think that’s a really important part of our inner health. And that is I feel good. I, because I’ve taken care of myself mentally, spiritually, and physically.
Natalie Tysdal [00:46:51]:
Yeah. Absolutely. I tell a story in my first book about a fitness class that I was going into, and I looked at the instructor, and I was judgy. I was all judgy. I’m like, she is not cute. She is not fit. She is, ew. How is she teaching this class? This is just icky.
Natalie Tysdal [00:47:08]:
And by the end of the class, she was so positive, and her aura was just wonderful, and she was saying all these incredible things. And by the end of the class, I was in love with her. I’m like, she is the most beautiful, sexy, gorgeous, like all the things. I thought she was an example.
Lora Cheadle [00:47:27]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Tysdal [00:47:29]:
Yeah. And just like that, whether you’re recovering from career betrayal or relationship betrayal or I’ve even felt betrayed by my kids. I didn’t raise you to do that. What do you mean you’re doing that? That’s not who we are. It’s so true. Yeah. How can we continue to connect whether it’s that morning ritual, but to emote, to be how we want others to feel be how we want others to see us.
Lora Cheadle [00:48:01]:
Yeah. I mean, that, that, that is really knowing what’s important to you. And I go I’ll go back to what I mentioned just a few minutes ago. It’s about being still long enough to know those things.
Natalie Tysdal [00:48:15]:
Mhmm.
Lora Cheadle [00:48:15]:
If we just fill our minds all the time and react to what’s happening around us or our jobs or, the problem. I mean, for a long time, I feel like it’s I ran towards the problem because news was always a problem. It’s like there’s a problem in this part of the world and a problem here and a problem there. And so I as humans, we are attracted to problems. We have to, like, turn the magnet around and go, I don’t need the problem. I need to be still long enough to help myself. Mhmm. Mhmm.
Natalie Tysdal [00:48:51]:
So a couple of questions around that because stillness is difficult.
Lora Cheadle [00:48:55]:
Mhmm.
Natalie Tysdal [00:48:55]:
How do you start being still when there are problems, when you are overwhelmed, when the world is stressing you out and you’re like, I know I need to be still. I know I need to be still. Kind of like you and yoga. How do you actually drop in and find that stillness in the midst of stress?
Lora Cheadle [00:49:16]:
Well, so first of all, I don’t think it’s easy to do that if you don’t have a practice of it. You know, if you’re caught up in the busyness, you’re not all of a sudden just gonna stop in the middle of your busyness and say, I need to be still right now. I don’t think that comes naturally. So habits are really big. Mhmm. You know, for me, it’s that morning routine. If I miss that morning routine and I wake up late, I feel it all day. Yeah.
Lora Cheadle [00:49:42]:
So creating that stillness habit, it might be first thing in the morning. I think that’s the easiest way. Some people like to get up though and go exercise first thing in the morning, and that that is their self care. That’s great. But where are you creating that stillness? Is it in the car that you don’t take a call all the time, all of the time in the car, or you don’t always play music in the car or a podcast that is that your stillness?
Natalie Tysdal [00:50:05]:
Mhmm.
Lora Cheadle [00:50:06]:
Is it coming home and having ten minutes to just decompress and read at a certain time every day. That’s why I find morning so good for me. It might be before bed. That’s a really great time to create that stillness because we know scientifically that taking our brains away from the blue light and phones or computers or TVs right before bed, that’s good for our brains. Can that be a moment of stillness or devotion? Or, I have a couple of podcasts that are soothing, that I love to listen to, at night when I’m brushing my teeth, getting ready for bed, getting away from the screens. Those things I think are really important. Intentionality and habits are probably the biggest tips I can give you on finding that stillness. And we know it’s not an overnight thing too.
Lora Cheadle [00:51:01]:
I’ve just gone through this with my, 15 year old son because, you know, he’s teenage boy. Habits aren’t so easy for him. So how can we create a habit? And I have up on my board, my second daughter and I did. She’s really good at this stuff. We did goals, priorities, and habits. And we just kinda it was just kind of a fun little vision board project we did over Christmas, and I did it with him. He was so reluctant. He was like, why am I doing this, mom? I’m like, because if we don’t have that, then what are we working towards? We’re just kinda shooting in the dark every day.
Lora Cheadle [00:51:35]:
Like, at least have something. So we’re working towards that with him. And I think for all of us, think of yourself like a 15 year old teenage boy and go, if I if I don’t create these goals, priorities, habits, nobody’s gonna do it for me. Mhmm.
Natalie Tysdal [00:51:53]:
I love that goals, priorities, and habits, and the intentionality around that. Because like you said, we love focusing on problems. And the more we focus on problems, the more problems we see.
Lora Cheadle [00:52:06]:
Yeah.
Natalie Tysdal [00:52:06]:
And what would it be like if we focused on solutions? What would it be like if we had a goal to find the answer or, you know, a habit that led us towards that. And if we prioritized everything that you talked about in those three questions, joy, feeling happy, pride, pride in what you’re doing, and then challenging yourself to grow. Yeah. If you take nothing else from the show, what I would like you to say is I’m prioritizing my joy. I wanna make joy a habit. Yeah. Happiness is my goal. Feeling proud of myself is a habit, my goal, my priority, and challenging myself to grow.
Natalie Tysdal [00:52:50]:
How can I create habits for that? How can I prioritize all of that?
Lora Cheadle [00:52:55]:
Yeah. And we know scientifically speaking that it doesn’t happen overnight, doesn’t happen in two, three, four, five days.
Natalie Tysdal [00:53:03]:
No.
Lora Cheadle [00:53:03]:
Not even two weeks, but three weeks is the magic number. So if you can just do you can we can do anything for three weeks. Think of how fast that goes. I mean, I feel like it was just it it was just Christmas. You know? Yeah. All of a sudden, Christmas wasn’t it? Spring. Right? Yeah. You can do anything for three weeks.
Lora Cheadle [00:53:21]:
Tell yourself I am going to do this one. Maybe it’s journal, maybe it’s devotion, whatever that thing is. And start with one. You’re not going to be able to accomplish all of them at the same time. Start with just one and then see the power in that and then build in another one.
Natalie Tysdal [00:53:37]:
Yeah. Thank you for permission to break that down small because I think a lot of women, myself included, today, I’m gonna build a new website. I’m gonna start a new podcast. I’m gonna clean out all my closets and I’m gonna walk the dog. And then it’s
Lora Cheadle [00:53:53]:
like so guilty of that. And then you fail and then you feel like a failure because you couldn’t do all of those things because you set too many at the same time. Yes.
Natalie Tysdal [00:54:01]:
Yeah. Yes. Almost every day of my life.
Lora Cheadle [00:54:04]:
Another tool that, that I have found very helpful. Helpful. Have you you heard the term habit stacking? Yes. I think it’s so helpful. What’s something that you do every day? What what is something that you Brush your teeth. You’re not gonna miss.
Natalie Tysdal [00:54:18]:
Yes. Eat breakfast.
Lora Cheadle [00:54:20]:
What dog? Yeah. You make your coffee.
Natalie Tysdal [00:54:23]:
You
Lora Cheadle [00:54:23]:
know, if, when you make your coffee, you stretch for five minutes while the coffee’s brewing or you’re making it, you get five minutes of self care in while that’s happening. And, you know, health speaking, it’s take your vitamins when you brush your teeth because you’re probably, hopefully, brushing your teeth every day. Some of those things that are hard to do, stack it with something you’re already doing, and you’ll be more successful in doing it.
Natalie Tysdal [00:54:49]:
Yeah. I love that. One of my affair recovery programs includes daily three minute meditations. And three minutes, we all have time for that. But so many people resist that. And I will often tell them, listen to it while you’re brushing your teeth. No. You’re not really meditating.
Natalie Tysdal [00:55:06]:
You’re brushing your teeth. Mhmm. But it starts getting into your brain. And then pretty soon, you’re like, no. I feel different. I wanna do it before I brush my teeth. Or I wanna do it after I brush my teeth. Teeth.
Natalie Tysdal [00:55:16]:
So you’re right. Stack the habit. Let those feelings develop. We don’t fall in love overnight. Things develop. And you will start noticing after you’ve done it, this shifts the way I feel. This shifts the way I show up. I am happier.
Natalie Tysdal [00:55:32]:
I am more present. I’m a better mom. I’m a better human.
Lora Cheadle [00:55:38]:
Absolutely. Yeah. Such such good advice.
Natalie Tysdal [00:55:42]:
Yeah. So in closing, what I want to ask you, Natalie, is what is your dream for women, for the world? You have a beautiful podcast. What is your goal? What do you hope to accomplish through the wisdom that you are sharing?
Lora Cheadle [00:56:02]:
Oh, what a great question. You know, it’s, it’s wholeness. That’s the word that. That just came to me right away is wholeness. And a lot of that is physical. We can control the physical, but once we do that, then we can, we can work on the emotional, the spiritual, I think is the foundation. So although physical, you know, we can control the spiritual part of that is. Huge part of your wholeness.
Lora Cheadle [00:56:31]:
Where are you connecting and where are you finding that strength within so that you can get out there, be healthier physically and, and emotionally and in your relationships.
Natalie Tysdal [00:56:45]:
Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. I appreciate how you talked about the physical too, because it’s easy to see. And faith is important. Spirituality is important. Whatever your beliefs are, we all connect differently, But it’s not tangible. So sometimes it’s hard to see.
Natalie Tysdal [00:57:04]:
So I love how you’re like, yeah. Start with the physical. The faith is the foundation, but sometimes we can’t see it.
Lora Cheadle [00:57:10]:
Yeah. Yeah. But there are so many things. Just don’t stop. Don’t stop trying. It’s so easy to give up when we feel, we feel feel overwhelmed. And I’ve been there. We’ve all been there.
Lora Cheadle [00:57:21]:
Don’t give up. Keep moving forward. There’s always something you can do. And there are awesome resources, podcasts like yours, like mine, that will give you inspiration on your walk or in your still time while you’re cooking. That’s what I love so much about what we do is that we can we can fill ourselves with that inspiration while we’re vacuuming or, you know, picking up the house or whatever that is.
Natalie Tysdal [00:57:45]:
Yeah. Absolutely. So where can people find more about you, your podcast, your blog, your work?
Lora Cheadle [00:57:52]:
Thank you for asking. I have a website, Natalie Tysdal, t y s d a l, dot com. A lot of free resources on there. Many of the things that we have talked about, some awesome grocery lists for getting healthy on scientifically proven diets that work, emotional health, how to make a vision board. I’ve had a free download on that when we talked about, like, my goals and habits and priorities, all of those things. Find me on natalietisdel.com. My podcast is the Natalie Tisdel podcast, and I would just love to communicate with you and have you as part of the group.
Natalie Tysdal [00:58:30]:
Yeah. Absolutely. And you can also find my guest appearance on Natalie’s podcast. I will link that below. And what I highly recommend listeners as we’ve talked about all this perfectionist, when I did Natalie’s podcast, I was having a bad hair day. So if you wanna start with a bad I was. I was having a funky hair day.
Lora Cheadle [00:58:49]:
You did not realize that.
Natalie Tysdal [00:58:51]:
It’s just one of those perfectionist things. So this is just me being vulnerable. I was like, dang. The content was great, but what is up with my hair?
Lora Cheadle [00:58:59]:
You know what, Lora? Your content was so good and your heart came through in such a way that I didn’t even see that. Just like the fitness instructor you talked about. I did not even see that.
Natalie Tysdal [00:59:08]:
Exactly. So that’s why I oftentimes like to point out when things go really awry because they go really awry for all of us, and it is okay. Well, thank you so much for your time, for your heart, for your wisdom, for your vulnerability in sharing that, you know what? It’s not this whole perfect sparkly life. We go through tough times and it’s okay. Don’t stop. Focus on those goals. Check Natalie out. You will really, really love her heart and her content.
Natalie Tysdal [00:59:38]:
And listeners, as usual, have an amazing week. And always remember to flaunt exactly who you are because who you are is always
Lora Cheadle [00:59:48]:
more than enough.
Lora Cheadle [00:59:52]:
Tune in next time to flaunt, find your sparkle, and create a life you love after infidelity or betrayal with Lora Cheadle every Wednesday at 7AM and 7PM Eastern Standard Time on syndicated DreamVision seven radio network. Uncover the truth of what’s possible for you on the other side of betrayal and develop the skills and strategies necessary to embrace the future and flourish today. Download your free Betrayal Recovery Toolkit at betrayalrecoveryguide.com.